Burke

Im thinking of swapping out the b18b and turbo etc, and selling it in favor of building up a dseries cause of cost issues. im wanna get atleast 400whp regardless.
but i am curious about the d16z6. With some p&p and springs, cam, will the head handle it? What about the IM, can it be made to flow any better??
What about the trannys?? will the diff blow up and can what about the axles??
this will have pistons, rods, and atleast a blockgaurd if not sleeves?

Thanks for the help
Burke

b16ahybrid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Burke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im thinking of swapping out the b18b and turbo etc, and selling it in favor of building up a dseries cause of cost issues. im wanna get atleast 400whp regardless.
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And you think it would be cheaper to get 400whp out of a sohc?

Johnyquest

The formula for 400 whp out of a sohc:

One d16z6: $300 if your good
One manifold: $300, again, if your good
one turbocharger: he already has a t3/t4
eagle rods cp pistons: $700
y8 IM: cheap, and not necessarily necessary
home p+p job: free
chipping ecu: dirt cheap
3-bar: 10$
injectors, 7xx cc+, 300$
jy / custom fmic: $100

total cost: &lt;$2000. I did it, I have a different turbo, t3.... and just dsm 450's-- but if your good, that's about oil it will cost. The sale of the b-series will more than cover it.

There's also room for a tial wastegate (if its not internally gated) and other odds and ends and it will still be dirt cheap. D-series powah!

TurboJesse

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16ahybrid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

And you think it would be cheaper to get 400whp out of a sohc?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i would say yes, for the price you could sell a b18b swap for you could have a built d series with some money left over...

Do a search, there was a thread a few days ago about a d16 with 395whp i think, it was stock sleeves too...

b16ahybrid

I would have never thought.
I figured it would cost more to buy a sohc build it etc...then to just keep the b18 and work from there.....

Burke

i would definatley get a larger t3/t4, the one i have right now is a 48 trim and i feel it will run out of juice, pretty quickly. this is straight drag, so i dont care if the think spools till 6grand, just as long as it hits like a ton of brick after that. if i stick with the current car, i will take uberdata as far as i can go. i have to get a controller for my wideband and would tune the thing on a dyno.
i would get a nice mani, or i may try my hand at making my own. i have access to a machine shop to do the flanges, and ive got a couple migs. i already have the exhaust basically, its gonna be 3in with a cut out. and i would prolly keep the ic i got now - its pretty ficking huge
thanks for the help guys

any suggestions on axles, tranny, diffs??

M.A.R.C.

i did my built d16 bottom end (GE sleeves, eagle rods, JE pistons) and i had to buy a new head and all and labor all for under the price of a b18c swap. and a whole lotta lil **** was missing from the motor

ladysman

Wow, where do I start.
For a tranny, I use the Z6 tranny but a Y8 tranny would be better because of the steel shifter forks.
I use a Quaife diff like most.
I also use Driveshaft shop Stage 3 axles.

Here is my car.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=520599

My motor is going in after the first of the year and I am hoping for 400. I don't think it will be a problem but you never know.

Burke

i figured new axles were a must.
how much hp can the stock diff handle before KABOOM.
i blew up an ls, but thats cause of bad bearings......./

ladysman

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Burke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i figured new axles were a must.
how much hp can the stock diff handle before KABOOM.
i blew up an ls, but thats cause of bad bearings......./</TD></TR></TABLE>

My diff blew with only 180whp.

Johnyquest

It's pretty hard to break an axle unless you dump the clutch out and some rediuclously high RPM and actually have traction (i.e. slick @ the track) or if you wheelhop. Wheelhop = impact gun on drivetrain. If your making enough power, somthing will break.

If you launch reasonably and don't wheelhop, though, you probably won't snap axles under 300whp.

dynamicauto

so could i assume my stock d series axles/y8 tranny would hold up to 200 whp as long as theres no wheel hop?

*Boostwerks*

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Burke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im thinking of swapping out the b18b and turbo etc, and selling it in favor of building up a dseries cause of cost issues. im wanna get atleast 400whp regardless.
but i am curious about the d16z6. With some p&p and springs, cam, will the head handle it? What about the IM, can it be made to flow any better??
What about the trannys?? will the diff blow up and can what about the axles??
this will have pistons, rods, and atleast a blockgaurd if not sleeves?

Thanks for the help
Burke</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm doing pretty much the opposite. I found that I spent so much money trying to make my ZC fast, I could have built up a B18C with a decent turbo setup.

Now I'm selling all my ZC crap for Tinkers B20/VTEC setup.

IMO...If your doing a D series setup...K.I.S.S.!!!

I reccomend...

Stock Z6 block with GE gaurd
Stock Z6 head
Y8 IM
Eagle rods
CP pistons

Simple turbo setup...
Log variety manifold
SC50 with .48 turbine
550cc's
Hondata

Good for a reliable 300whp on a budget (I wish I did this... )

M.A.R.C.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bryson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm doing pretty much the opposite. I found that I spent so much money trying to make my ZC fast, I could have built up a B18C with a decent turbo setup.

Now I'm selling all my ZC crap for Tinkers B20/VTEC setup.

IMO...If your doing a D series setup...K.I.S.S.!!!

I reccomend...

Stock Z6 block with GE gaurd
Stock Z6 head
Y8 IM
Eagle rods
CP pistons

Simple turbo setup...
Log variety manifold
SC50 with .48 turbine
550cc's
Hondata

Good for a reliable 300whp on a budget (I wish I did this... )</TD></TR></TABLE>

blah i want 400 mine seems to be still cheaper or same price as a b18c swap (including basic preventative maintenance parts). and i have the added reliability from the stronger internals. i would do a b-series... if i were going ALL out

GreenGO

Don't forget about a replacement clutch. I'm already having to replace mine at 176whp... (D16Y8)

BoostedsiR

I hope you got a lot of faith because it will take a lot to see that out of a sohc


good luck get a dohc and save yourself the trouble

Snail Tuning

d16z6 75bucks with spun bearing. included head and most of the sensors. i also got a y8 shortblock for 75bucks too thats a total of 150 for both

so ill go 150 for my d16z6.
285 for my rods.
450 for my pistons
100 for bearings
100 for ARP headstuds
45 for 3bar map
90 need a y8 intake manifold
free LS throttle body
550-800 block work/assembly
90 cosmetic headgasket

my turbo kit cost me under 800 indluding vafc and a big FMIC
ill be selling the vafc and running urberdata. will be cheaper. and much better.

my civic was running an estimated 15 flat at 7.5 psi. on stock d15b for under 2000 total in the car with a full sound system. cdplayer subs amp.

of course ill need a stage 2 or 3 clutch and flywheel. $400-500 bucks
better axles. 300
rims/tires 800
so it can be done cheap. especialy when a swap would cost the same as my fully build z6.

M.A.R.C.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BoostedsiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I hope you got a lot of faith because it will take a lot to see that out of a sohc


good luck get a dohc and save yourself the trouble</TD></TR></TABLE>

don't underestimate. we've seen a couple people on this forum that have made into 300's on a sohc without a lot. hell AR fab sohc just made 395whp/370tq on a 50 trim. waiting to see the dyno sheets though. the setup i'm running should be capable of more power than that as well. not knocking b's but d-series is a cheaper route IMO... at least for me. maybe if i was looking for 500+whp yes... but 400 blah. and like i said... i'd rather the reliability of the built bottom end than to run on stock bottom. with my budget i couldn't afford to blow a b-series motor up.

b16ahybrid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bmcc72 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">d16z6 75bucks with spun bearing. included head and most of the sensors. i also got a y8 shortblock for 75bucks too thats a total of 150 for both

so ill go 150 for my d16z6.
285 for my rods.
450 for my pistons
100 for bearings
100 for ARP headstuds
45 for 3bar map
90 need a y8 intake manifold
free LS throttle body
550-800 block work/assembly
90 cosmetic headgasket

my turbo kit cost me under 800 indluding vafc and a big FMIC
ill be selling the vafc and running urberdata. will be cheaper. and much better.

my civic was running an estimated 15 flat at 7.5 psi. on stock d15b for under 2000 total in the car with a full sound system. cdplayer subs amp.

of course ill need a stage 2 or 3 clutch and flywheel. $400-500 bucks
better axles. 300
rims/tires 800
so it can be done cheap. especialy when a swap would cost the same as my fully build z6.

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No offense, but am i missing something? 15 flat (estimate) with all that work?
A semi-built block only to gain 1/2 a second?
I was runing 14.9 - 15.1 with a simular set-up...minus the internals.
d15b7, t3, non-intercooled, and 5.5psi. the car weighed about 2700 with me in it along with the stereo.

KamikazeSol

I am with CivicRyda2K on this issue, keeping a D series was cheaper, plus blowing one up is cheaper. I have 3 D16Z6 engines to pull parts from and paid a grand total of 200 for all of them, infact one was free to get it out of a guys basement. I expect atleast 300horse with my benson block and 78mm bore. Also a fully built head and either the T3/T4 I have now that has been rebuilt and clipped and polished or I might step up to a Garrett BB Turbo that should support 400-450horse. It is just a matter of what one wants. I used to be on the B series bandwagaon, but it is not needed for everyone. It took alot of money to build my 4 B engines and not nearly as much to build the D, even though for my needs it wil do the job. Any Honda pushing 250-300 wheel horse should get some respect, DOHC or not.

Burke

found me a deal on a built SOHC. built bottom end but just a blockgaurd welded in and was built by JG. the head is p&p with springs, cams, etc.
im gonna push it close to 400 for the track. i would just like to hit 11's, maybe some 10.999's. but its gonna be track ***** and nothing more. so i dont think ill blow anything.

racinskittle

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Johnyquest &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The formula for 400 whp out of a sohc:

One d16z6: $300 if your good
One manifold: $300, again, if your good
one turbocharger: he already has a t3/t4
eagle rods cp pistons: $700
y8 IM: cheap, and not necessarily necessary
home p+p job: free
chipping ecu: dirt cheap
3-bar: 10$
injectors, 7xx cc+, 300$
jy / custom fmic: $100

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Might as well toss in a B series throttle body as well.

gitwidit

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My diff blew with only 180whp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's surpising. I made over 30-40 passes this year launching at 6.5-7k with 22x8x15 MT's. Still on original tranny and axles.....

RyanEJ8

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Most people that swapped to a B16 weren't thinking.

b16ahybrid

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanCivic2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Most people that swapped to a B16 weren't thinking. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Whats that suposed to mean?
Thats kind of an ignorant statement.