93h2beg

So I stepped away from Honda for a year or so now. Sold off all of my parts. Went to Nissan to drift.... tires are expensive and I got bored. Now I have the honda itch again.

I am looking for fun civic that wont draw much attention from local azzhats (theft).

I have my idea of a 92-95 civic dx 4 door.

I was thinking sleeved h22 QSD h2b again. Another N/A build.

I was digging around my garage, found my box of old b series distributors, cams, cam gears, turbo feed lines and return lines, b series t brackets and shift linkage and axles. I found a ported LS head and a ported and epoxied GSR head. I have a decent LS block I would get sleeved, and a freshly worked (few years ago never ran) stock LS crank. Found the rods and pistons too, but who cares= junk. I found a few sets of big cc injectors, and T/Bs and various sensors.

So Im now thinking 4-500 whp LS build. maybe do a LSV? I don't know. I have close to 4 disassembled trannys under my house and bin full of gear sets, so I shouldn't have an issue building a tranny with whatever gear set i want.


Obviously the motor will be built, rods, pistons, ARP everything.
I did sell my hondata s300 but found all my old crome tuning stuff from when I first started LOL.

So im not sure which way I want to go with the top end of the engine. LS head? for ease of tuning, or go GSR for more power? The LS head has some work, but the GSR head has much more done.

I guess it really comes down to preference. Right before I got out of Honda I had b20v turbo setup- sitting in wait- never installed- sold it all.

My budget is what ever my fiance will allow. Usually very little limiting from her. This wont be a fast build but I want it to be a well thought out build where I only do everything one time.

As far as the turbo part goes, im open for suggestions.

This will be a DD when Im not in my 350z, or CRV.
It wont live in a garage, my jet skis get that shelter, and my race car is in my friends shop (68 543ci cuda).
This will be a beater- but i want it to be stupid fast.

I have done some searching on sleeving. Does one company shine much brighter than the others?

Im only doing this thread to get some more ideas. Most of my friends have moved on from cars, or don't know enough about then to have a intellectual talk with... So this will be my sounding board.

Thanks

OneBadTurboCRV

When you first said you sold off all of your parts I was just simply going to tell you congratulations on being sober and to keep on trucking. Then I realized you had just hidden your addiction. They have groups man, just stay away from the money pits that are Honda. I did the same as you a few years back and now I am in deeper than ever and I am regretting every second of it. Prices have fallen off so hard in my area but performance parts have pretty much just got more expensive...

BUT, if you MUST do this build you can go in either direction but using a VTEC head will just get you to your goal faster. The turbo will depend on what type of car you want to build. Do you want midrange or more like drag racing? For sleeving your best bet would probably be Golden Eagle or Darton MIDs (installed only by the companies themselves). For the EMS just pony up for the new S300 v3 or find a v2 used. If you want reliable consistency then stay away from CROME - it has only seemingly got worse overall unless you have someone who REALLY knows how to tune it. A better option than both would be AEM though.

EsotericImage

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I wouldnt recommend AEM for Hondas.

Stick with Neptune or S300

93h2beg

This isn't my first rodeo, when it comes to throwing money away.

My Cuda has documented over 50k in it. (thats just the receipts i kept)
I just picked up a basket case 68 Camaro.
My stupid jet ski that I could sell for maybe 1200 has almost 7k in it.
I do all my own wrenching, painting etc... So this is just parts!

But thank you for the kind words of warning.


I have been reading through lots of threads here on HT. It made me realize when I left the scene I lost a lot of my knowledge . I seem to have forgotten a ton. I had to do a search to find out if the blue top h23a was a FRM cylinder. I was contemplating boosting one of those!

I plan on going back to hondata, maybe give neptune a try. Last time I was here I had almost bought neptune. I had played with the software, seemed very similar to what I had been using.

I guess we will see. I still need to check out my parents garage, I know I left a few parts there as well! LOL.

Thank you for the kind words.

OneBadTurboCRV

It sounds like we are one in the same haha.

As far as NepTune goes that is another great option and would probably be the better option if you already have a chipped ECU since you wouldn't need a reworked board. Find out what you have and what you want to build and people will help with turbo selection.

A LOT has changed for sure, I had to relearn over the past couple years myself. Just trying to help a fellow addict, I mean car enthusiast shy away from this junk, but will also help feed the addiction too. I am like one of those AA guys giving a speech to the alcoholic support group while sipping straight Vodka from a coffee mug.

turbohatch96y7

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Explain please

EsotericImage

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Ask any real tuner this question if you want details..

Bottom line is S300 and Neptune are designed for honda. AEM is a generalization and doesnt have the features like the Honda designed programs.

That AND AEMs UEGO is crap!

RevRipe

S300 and Neptune use the stock honda electronics reprogrammed and with piggyback boards for RTP vs AEM is a standalone. Great thing about AEM is there are a ton of things you can mess with ... The problem with AEM is there are alot of things to mess with. It can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on your level of knowledge and how much patients you have.

SrbijaDoTokija

Why is the UEGO crap? I agree there are better widebands out there but it's definitely not crap.

turbohatch96y7

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You have no idea what youre talking about.

this

Nothing wrong with them

blackeg

the aem had soo much to mess with. i remember using it with a friend on his turbo gsr like 10 years ago. all i was thinking was when can we go back to using crome for ease of use!

op- you sound like me with bins of parts everywhere.

i think a golden eagle sleeved block is a great bang for the buck. maybe pick up some crower 403's and go to town on that straight ls. with an 84ish mm bore it will make silly tq for a honda

m4xwellmurd3r

Last time you used it was TEN YEARS AGO and youre basing your opinion on that?

Yes it has more options than you could ever dream of wanting, yes hondata is a bit more friendly for honda use because its based around the factory ecu, bit you have waaay more control with aem than you ever will with a honda based ecu

Op for 400-500 you can stick with a straight ls, get a decent valvetrain, etc, but you can do the same on a stock vtec head. Just a matter of preference.

For that power level I think going with cnc werx for the CSS would be a wise choice. Any more than 500+ amd I would look at full on sleeves.

EsotericImage

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your right.. i have no clue wtf im talking about.. AEM! AEM! AEM!

hmm, not that hard to become an AEM cheerleader!

93h2beg

dont flame me for asking this one.

I have a complete d16y7 @ my parents house. needs a rebuild- lost compression when some kid ran it through a big puddle and it drank water. I did a swap for him and he never picked up his junk engine.
I also have a few more vtec heads for a d.

I never personally ran a built D- but did a few mini me builds for friends, never a turbo D.
Since I have access to both is there any point to building a D?

I enjoy the build, i don't mind spending the money for good parts.
My gut says going with a D with just shooting myself in the foot when I have a LS. I even have a good B series clutch- that was on an all motor low 12 sec civic.

Everything says go B- agreed?

I remember looking into CSS a few years back, I thought it seemed like a nice option for a very mild build. But if you are trying to go for 400 Hp why not 500 or 600? Why would you limit your self with a fancy block guard???

turbohatch96y7

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Exactly why your opinion isn't valid

turbohatch96y7

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I would go with the b series unless you have some crazy fetish for low tq motors

93h2beg

As far as a turbo goes...

A couple of years back I had picked up a rebuilt HX35 for a h22 build I never did. I think I still have the turbo @ my parents place. If memory serves the compressor map matched pretty well for my h22- higher rpms-

I would guess for the smaller b series id be looking at like 5000 rpms to get anything out of one of these. Might not be the way to go, but then again....

A sleeved b18 bored to 84 mm would be right about 2 liters.

I guess ill have to actually get out there and dig around.



I just googled injectors... man the prices have dropped!!!! I remember paying like $200 for my big cc injectors USED!!!! and it was a good price!

EsotericImage

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Hmm, $450 for Neptune or 1200 for AEM.

Yeeaaaa, **** my opinion.

Your the king of boost!

turbohatch96y7

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Aem v2 go for 850 all day used.

If you're tryna penny pinch and boost a motor you're doing it wrong

Furyof4

You guys are arguing over aem but are failing to mention that it is totally unnecessary for his goals. Neptune or Hondata are perfectly acceptable for 500hp. No need to complicate things.

turbohatch96y7

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Drivability doe.

Rc 1000cc peak and hold on hondata-- Aem can idle 1000cc rc injectors well past 14.7:1 af...

Crome can run the car fine at WOT. That's not the big picture

Furyof4

So you're advocating a standalone system and outdated injector technology?

blackeg

yes. everyone is an ******* everywhere i go now adays, so i will be too.

im sure aem is more super awesomeness than i can imagine, but it is beyond entirely overkill for the op's intent, and borderline irresponsible spending.

id use that hx35 especially since you already have it. one of my friends had it on a stock ls with b16 trans was was going mid 11s in an ef hatch.

84mm is just about 2.0 liters

turbohatch96y7

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Tell me about this "technology" with ID injectors.

turbohatch96y7

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Saying an aem box is over kill is just like saying spending the same amount on a turbo is over kill.

Its not