melovesboost

ive been shopping around for intercoolers for a while seeing which ones were the best and would benefit the most. Everyone seems to swear that the bar and plate intercoolers are the best thing to go with.

But then you see the big guys like Supra's Skylines all rocking the Apexi FMIC and that uses a delta Fin design. yes i know there motors are way bigger and making **** ton of power.

Then i see that full-race is using tube and fin design on all there intercoolers and they make great power with there intercoolers.

So what is the truth about these intercoolers what performs the best. what gives the most power. cause im stumped which route to take.

melovesboost

Anyone???

traction issuez

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=416595

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ninesecrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tube and fin has a much quicker responce for cooling. It is able to change heat a lot quicker then bar and fin. This means tube and fin would deff. work better for all you around the town stop light racers. Like camp said, tube and fin is also lighter. In some racing applications, when a large amount of cooling air is available during transient conditions of boost pressure and tempature, it can give a more uniform cooling of charge air as the lower mass is cooled more quickly by the ambient air.</TD></TR></TABLE>

miller

that seems like alot of mis-information.

melovesboost

that article really didnt help me.

Mikey3000

here's a good page i found on intercoolers. google search "intercoolers". they seem like a very legit intercooler manufacturer..

http://www.bellintercoolers.com/pages/techFAQ.html

blitz23

tube and fin has worse flow restriction than bar ad plate. OEM FMIC always work the best.

Sprockets

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ninesecrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bar and fin</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've never heard of bar and fin.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blitz23 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">tube and fin has worse flow restriction than bar ad plate. OEM FMIC always work the best.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You mean that tube and fin has less flow restriction than bar and plate.

This is probably the best website to learn about intercoolers:

http://www.are.com.au/techtalk...ofile

melovesboost

Link doesnt work

Sprockets

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I just checked it. It works. H-T was very laggy for me a little while ago, and PMs weren't loading properly. Maybe that was the problem?

blitz23

cool. thanks

91jdmhatchback

bar and plate are for durabilty as you can drop them and there fine, and tube and fin are better for cooling but can be damaged very easy.

plus tube and fin are cheaper, but if you look on garretts web site all the big high horsepoawer cores are tube and fin.

just my 2 cents

Sprockets

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91jdmhatchback &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">bar and plate are for durabilty as you can drop them and there fine, and tube and fin are better for cooling but can be damaged very easy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by are.com.au &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"As a general rule, with a level playing field (manufacturing quality, both fpi's, tube size, thickness, & a hundred other variables), bar & plate intercooler cores dissipate more BTU's than plate tube & fin & then tube & fin cores - per square centimetre."

"Plate tube & fin cores are the physically weakest core"(According to this website, some OEM use in Japan.)..."Bar/Plate & fin cores are the second weakest, even though they are also the heaviest" (I guess this is why ninesecrx called them bar and fin, although I didn't notice that before.)..."The Extruded tube core is possibly the strongest core as it only has three components in it's construction, a tube & two header plates."</TD></TR></TABLE>

Extruded tube and fin is what PWR uses. Full Race uses PWR.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91jdmhatchback &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">plus tube and fin are cheaper</TD></TR></TABLE>

This isn't necessarily true. For example, Greddy just came out with a "budget" line of intercoolers called Spec M, which are bar and plate. Their higher end cores (Spec V & R) are tube and fin.

CoreyR

i was told tube/fin cools better because airflow through the core is better because the tubes are rounded instead of flat like a bar/plate unit.. sounded logical to me. im sure theres a reason all OEMs use tube/fin.