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PRICE: honestly... if you shop around, and buy a used kit, dont cut any corners on new hoses and gaskets, sparkplugs, and whatnot.. i'd say around $1,000. before tuning.

old picture of my old setup: (new pics coming very soon of my ****)







Originally Posted by ILoveJDM.
Do you like running your supercharger on your Rex? Is it more sufficient and power making than a Turbo? What are your overall thoughts on the performance?
Yes, i like the supercharger.... doesnt feel like a Honda anymore, it actually has torque from idle all the way to redline.

before the turbo spools.... yes, the supercharger would crush it on horsepower and torque. the turbo has no parasitic drag, so of course it will make more peak numbers. but the power curve and delivery of the supercharger makes it more predictable. i had a turbo SOHC right before this supercharger... (like a month before)


... and i do feel like the turbo had more top end power... would likely win in a freeway situation, possible a 1/4 mile race, although it would be close... the supercharger would definately get the jump and pull at least to the 330 mark, if not the 1/8th mile. if you plan on only racing on the streets (which are rarely even close to an 1/8th mile length before the loser shuts his car off) or if you plan on road racing..... the supercharger is the way to go.
if it were a 1/4 mile track car only.... of course i'd say turbo.
The installation/maintainence of the supercharger is MUCH easier...
install is simple, just like an intake manifold install, except you got to relocate the alternator and run a new belt. (which isnt that hard, the jackson kit is well engineered) these are internally oiled, and pretty much maintainence free, besides changing and tightening belts on occasion. (you need to change and tighten belts on any motor, right?)
the installation/maintainence of the turbo took a little more time, i had to take out the power steering and air conditioning... remove the bumper, cut, measure, cut, recut, and cut the bumper some more to fit the piping and intercooler (painted black in my photos, still visable if youre looking for it). well, i could have easily cut the bumper once to show off the intercooler like most riceboys do, but i wanted the 'sleeper' look. i had a pain in the *** fitting the turbo manifold and T3 turbo without halfway removing the motor itself... basically i had to bolt up the manifold, then crawl under the car, and bolt the turbo up squeezing my hands into tiny spaces.. fitting the downpipe was a pain in the *** too.
OIL LINES!
I friggan hate oil lines. once i got rid of one leak, another would spring up. then i'd get rid of that, and oil would come from somewhere else.
you need to tap the oil pan and the motor for oil fitting, then run an oil line to the turbo from the engine, and then to the oil pan as drainage from the turbo. (this is for lubrication and cooling of the turbo... burns on my knuckles show it gets hot)
i changed the oil on my motor every 1000 miles or 1500 miles, just because i knew this oil was getting hotter than it would on a normal engine.
then you got friggan silicon couplers... a turbo kit has so many weak points that its almost a waste. if you dont use hardcore couplers and clamps, you will blow off some basic crappy rubber couplers and clamps.
but with the right couplers, you should only have to re-tighten these on occasion.

installation on the charger is obviously easier... but its harder to get it to idle smooth. (which can be done, with patience) sometimes i cant even tell my engine is running, it idles so smooth.

they both have their ups and downs. i am NOWHERE near the end of my build for the supercharged car... but i do see some new projects in my future.

i've just started on my build, and havent tuned it yet... but even with a simple street tune by me, the car moves. very smooth and quiet... hard to tell that its fast until you look at the speedo and youre doing over 120.
the only way to tell that youre quick is because you get tired of shifting. LOL no need to drop gears on the freeway to pass another car.... leave it in fifth, give it some gas, and you'll go from 60 to 100 in no time.

the LOUD intake noise that honda's make is GONE... you only hear a loud whine from the charger... which sounds awesome from behind the drivers seat. sounds even better from outside of the car. you'll get plenty of looks from ricers or legit honda owners alike.

overall, i think my supercharged engine would crush a similar turbo car at the same PSI in almost any racing situation.

when i first installed the kit, i had the 5 PSI pullies installed, then i put an 8 PSI pulley on, and the car came to life, i now have a 10-11 PSI setup that i'm waiting to put on my motor the day before my dyno. not really hoping for crazy numbers.... just maybe 185HP and like 150TQ to the wheels.... which i guess is pretty good on a sohc nonvtec, with stock internals. and the torque will probably make peak numbers around 4500 RPMS. (just where VTEC motors start to wake up)

i'm happy so far.


BTW, i've had a nitrous B16 too.


dont get me wrong, a turbo system will do an AWESOME JOB.
but with my experience, i liked the supercharger better. but thats just me, i like the power delivery the supercharger gives.

turbos can also be hassle free, i just didnt have that sort of luck.


as far as internal work goes... i personally like HIGHER compression supercharged motors on lower boost levels. feels like a very strong N/A car. and boost isnt super crazy.

you could run a supercharger with the 8 PSI pulley and the correct header with maybe a cam and cam gear for under $2500 if you find a USED charger in good shape.

i havent got to dyno-tune my setup yet, only a baseline ( i have more parts and higher boost levels to install) but un-tuned on 5-6 psi i made almost 160hp and 145tq on a dynojet... but here is big chris' setup that was recently dyno'd on a dynapack.

163.5 HP and 139.4 TQ

D16A6 stock
JRSC 3.4 pulley
Ek crank pulley makin 8psi
550cc Injectors
DC Header
Greddy MX
WR Intake
WR Fuel Regulator





here are a few videos of my supercharged sohc nonvtec crx:

http://www.streetwerkzclothing...x.wmv

http://s77.photobucket.com/alb...nch63


BEFORE:

removing the strut tower bar

bitching and talking **** to eachother on whos car is gonna be faster.

removing the intake

intake off

intake off and battery removed

removing factory parts

removing throttle cable

unhooking throttle cable from throttle body

removing stock fuel rail



fuel rail off

removing injector clips

injectors removed

moving **** outta my way

expletive you clearance issues

removing various vaccum hoses and coolant lines

draining coolant

pissing coolant

random angle of the work area

removing the manifold nuts


removing the manifold

done deal..... and look, NO STICKY GASKET!

Hondata gasket

old manifold

comparing hondata gaskets.... of course, mine has more material, so its more pimp too.

sensor to be transferred

...to be transferred

Ash decided to stick with a D series throttle body

I'm teasing Ash by installing the Jackson manifold


inspecting rotors and resealing manifold to the m45 eaton blower

putting the supercharger back together

the empty space that wants the jackson ****!

Ash being overly excited by the donkey dick S-tube

puttin his **** back together

at my advice, Ash ditched the nylon single bearing idler pullies for these dual bearing Billet pulleys. Good Call.

installing the S-tube

slapped some Rota centers on his CF-48s

lmfao!

making sure the strut bar will clear the blower

the end of DAY ONE, as i didnt want to rush things... and where Ash slept for the night.

random engine bay shots




hey... wake your *** up, its DAY TWO!

installing studs.... which proves later to be FATAL!


EG fuel rail installed

B&M adjustable FPR next to stock FPR w/ 90 degree bend

installing the B&M on the 90* bend

put Ash to work finding much needed alternator clearance

all assembled

EG fuel rails make EF's BLING!

spacing out the alternator location

gave Ash one of my never opened OEM parts i had laying around, a new fuel filter!

he's showing off his new pressure gauge

explaining how it works.

i also had a bunch of new OEM washers in bags too. its good to be a former Honda employee.

all installed, Ash's approval

some added bling in an otherwise disgusting engine bay.

the start of our ******* problems

making progress

connecting TPS sensor

reinstalling all factory sensors, harnesses, hoses, fittings, and coolant lines


connected throttle cable


installing the fuel feed line

some colder NGK 7s are in the mix

the only problem i had with my big fat hands was installing these hoses. Ash got to crawl under the car and do this for me.

Ash didnt like working, so he flipped off the car, i then threatened him with a steak knife!

detailing how the new belt is going to run

5 PSI crank pulley (he wants to play it safe until a tune)

more pulley shots


M45 blower from below

double and triple checking everything



it was here that we connected the battery, and i had Ash prime the fuel pump.... but not start the car. leak.

called it the end of DAY TWO, DAY THREE starts tomorrow.

so far.... 10 hour install give or take driving to get lunch, get parts, buy some new wheels for his ride, etc. etc.





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an actual write up with pictures will be started on OCT. 27th when we start in on his ride.


<FONT SIZE="1">please do not post in this thread to flame or to say how much better your friend's cousin's neighbor's turbo car is, we've all heard it before. after all, we all own hondas and personally, i love to see different setups, it makes lining up so much more interesting. </FONT>

8atman's ride:


interior:


old motor shot:



new motor shot:
coming soon...

all this trouble for this pile.




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some of his motor parts to be installed:
(better/clearer pics of both cars and setups will be coming soon)










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looks like it will be sick can I ask what header that is on 8at's hatch?
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Hell yeah Joe you da man cant wait to finish this ish!!!! As for the header it was a custom made one that I picked up from some guy off craigslist.

Thanks again cant wait to fill this up with info and shots

Oh and your new valve cover looks super super clean.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 8atman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hell yeah Joe you da man cant wait to finish this ish!!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>


where did all the jrsc questions go that we were getting a few months back?

now that we are finally going to do a step by step installation and explanation with pictures and videos, these guys are nowhere to be found.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STREETWERKZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


where did all the jrsc questions go that we were getting a few months back?

now that we are finally going to do a step by step installation and explanation with pictures and videos, these guys are nowhere to be found. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm still watching and drooling

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Capt. Blonde Beard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'm still watching and drooling

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i was actually talking to my buddy about getting a similar car to yours.

ws6 trans am baby!!! he has 466hp to the wheels in his firehawk. and it's a blast on the streets. i want to be apart of that club.
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Looking forward to seeing the full write-up

Best of luck, guys!

and Joe.. you know your valvecover is sick!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr_CRX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looking forward to seeing the full write-up

Best of luck, guys!

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did you see it in person? my pics look like **** in the dark garage.
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Yeah, you showed it to me in your kitchen that one day when I was there before CRXpo.
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yeah, i like it.


you should see the new intake i fabbed up for my ridgeline. so pretty. i should start slangin' them. especially since there are only short intakes available, and people are paying close to $300 for one.
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do it mang!!!
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some sick *** numbers!!!!!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JICEK9 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">setup...
jrsc d16y8 8lbs
rc 440's
i/h/e
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hondata s300

look at my #'s and make any suggestions you wish. thank you.

Here is the hp and tq graph. decent #'s, but was hoping for higher. (who doesn't though ) We got over 160 out of it, then tuned it back a little to be safe.

hp and a/f. kinda bumpy .

hp and boost level. nice and flat at 8lbs.

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Lookin good, I definitely miss the even distribution of power my SC gave.
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Lookin good, I definitely miss the even distribution of power my SC gave.</TD></TR></TABLE>

funny as i went from a turbo D to a supercharged.... the opposite of what you did.

you got any graphs or info on your old blower setup? while you're at it, post your turbo info too so we can compare. (i know the numbers are higher, but in your opinion, how do you feel about both setups on a daily driver?)

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man im getting excited this **** is going to be a blast
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In for updates, looks good so far.
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With the rigth sized turbo, you can make the same midrange and still have a better topend. Try a gt28r (not the rs) on a sohc it will make similar low end as your supercharger and still make better top end numbers.

Neat setup non-the-less.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liam821 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
With the rigth sized turbo, you can make the same midrange and still have a better topend. Try a gt28r (not the rs) on a sohc it will make similar low end as your supercharger and still make better top end numbers.

Neat setup non-the-less.

liam</TD></TR></TABLE>

we all know that. some of us just want to have a different setup than the same ol' **** thats been done and done again on honda-tech. but after reading your sig, sounds like you have one bad motherfucking *** D series yourself.

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<FONT SIZE="1">please do not post in this thread to flame or to say how much better your friend's cousin's neighbor's turbo car is, we've all heard it before. after all, we all own hondas and personally, i love to see different setups, it makes lining up so much more interesting. </FONT>
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props on a killer write up

car looks really good too
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Thanks man I cant wait. We will try to do a very clean and understood writeup to help with anyone elses questions. All thanks to Joe, he's the man.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 8atman &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> All thanks to Joe, he's the man.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i got to put that in my sig. hahahahahaa
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looking forward to the writeup, recently got a 88 crx si and looking into all options...realy like superchargers except the one that was on my corrado...are there anythreads that stick out that i should be reading that i may not of yet?? also curious of course i well be on a budget but if it takes longer to do it rite then i well learn patience but would you recomend researching on how to rebuild my stock engine (233k+ miles) or would there be another i shuold look into while still getting good bang for the buck..and of course this well be my daily driver


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Cool man thanks for the inquiry well this thread has a lot of great info.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1214810

what engine do you have now?



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