Crome is broken, again
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Crome is broken, again
1.6.11r2 has a date restriction.
What's the point John? It's been hacked ages ago...reminds me of Microsoft products; broken, and unfixable (or, never going to be fixed).
What's the point John? It's been hacked ages ago...reminds me of Microsoft products; broken, and unfixable (or, never going to be fixed).
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I noticed this yesterday too....easy fix (i use to work at a software vendor), set the date in Windows back a month or year.....it'll trick the software into thinking it's at an earlier date prior to the date it was preset to expire apparently..... It works to get it going.....now John C needs to at least re-write a version for this issue amongst other issues that do have work arounds
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I noticed this yesterday too....easy fix (i use to work at a software vendor), set the date in Windows back a month or year.....it'll trick the software into thinking it's at an earlier date prior to the date it was preset to expire apparently..... It works to get it going.....now John C needs to at least re-write a version for this issue amongst other issues that do have work arounds
I own a computer sales and service company...
He should probably rewrite from scratch, or be more responsive to technical feedback so problems can be resolved.
Reality is, I'm sure he's a busy guy. I have projects I can't keep up with too. That's life. That being said, John's made a massive contribution to society by providing the tools at all. Even with them being buggy, it's wonderful it's free.
But I would have liked to see more documentation. Blindly changing settings to observe effect is fun, but unnecessary. Or maybe even a changelog? These are basic items that accompany any software application.
Maybe it's just because I've watched so much time pass, and the lack of progression, but I'd say throw in the towel, and don't waste your time trying to prevent theft if you can't take the time to fix the core purpose.
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Ya, I rolled the date back to allow me to open it too.
I own a computer sales and service company...
He should probably rewrite from scratch, or be more responsive to technical feedback so problems can be resolved.
Reality is, I'm sure he's a busy guy. I have projects I can't keep up with too. That's life. That being said, John's made a massive contribution to society by providing the tools at all. Even with them being buggy, it's wonderful it's free.
But I would have liked to see more documentation. Blindly changing settings to observe effect is fun, but unnecessary. Or maybe even a changelog? These are basic items that accompany any software application.
Maybe it's just because I've watched so much time pass, and the lack of progression, but I'd say throw in the towel, and don't waste your time trying to prevent theft if you can't take the time to fix the core purpose.
I own a computer sales and service company...
He should probably rewrite from scratch, or be more responsive to technical feedback so problems can be resolved.
Reality is, I'm sure he's a busy guy. I have projects I can't keep up with too. That's life. That being said, John's made a massive contribution to society by providing the tools at all. Even with them being buggy, it's wonderful it's free.
But I would have liked to see more documentation. Blindly changing settings to observe effect is fun, but unnecessary. Or maybe even a changelog? These are basic items that accompany any software application.
Maybe it's just because I've watched so much time pass, and the lack of progression, but I'd say throw in the towel, and don't waste your time trying to prevent theft if you can't take the time to fix the core purpose.
John C has thrown in the towel and has for a while but I wonder if he could be contacted and if perhaps the rights to the software platform could be bought since he's so little vested in this now so someone else could pickup where he left off with all the app's shortcomings to revise it and make it an app tuners will want to use once again...call it Crome V2
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btw....I noticed your URL in your avatar and noticed your in North Western IN....where abouts exactly? I ask because I now work for a wireless ISP who now owns Fairnet LLC if your familiar with them out of Monticello IN?
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I feel that Crome still has alot of potential is given enough attention toward the current bugs and features that could be added to make it rival Neptune & Hondata.
John C has thrown in the towel and has for a while but I wonder if he could be contacted and if perhaps the rights to the software platform could be bought since he's so little vested in this now so someone else could pickup where he left off with all the app's shortcomings to revise it and make it an app tuners will want to use once again...call it Crome V2
John C has thrown in the towel and has for a while but I wonder if he could be contacted and if perhaps the rights to the software platform could be bought since he's so little vested in this now so someone else could pickup where he left off with all the app's shortcomings to revise it and make it an app tuners will want to use once again...call it Crome V2
That really would be nice if the work could be continued. Open source it. Or maybe just let it leak anonymously. It's super easy these days. If we can't find John to fix it, no one will find him when it's leaked lol..
Maybe then PGMFI could be properly resurrected and the free sharing of high class information could continue once more. But, bet that never happens
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But if you're ever in the area or need something, shoot me a message. We do cruises and racing in the summer. WMHM every year!
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Monticello isn't very far from me. Portage Indiana over here. Never heard of Fairnet, but then again we are pretty urban. We only have ATT, Comcast, etc. The big ones, big monopolies.
But if you're ever in the area or need something, shoot me a message. We do cruises and racing in the summer. WMHM every year!
But if you're ever in the area or need something, shoot me a message. We do cruises and racing in the summer. WMHM every year!
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I read either you or Vegas posted about how they love the Crome interface, and I completely agree. It's intuitive.
That really would be nice if the work could be continued. Open source it. Or maybe just let it leak anonymously. It's super easy these days. If we can't find John to fix it, no one will find him when it's leaked lol..
Maybe then PGMFI could be properly resurrected and the free sharing of high class information could continue once more. But, bet that never happens
That really would be nice if the work could be continued. Open source it. Or maybe just let it leak anonymously. It's super easy these days. If we can't find John to fix it, no one will find him when it's leaked lol..
Maybe then PGMFI could be properly resurrected and the free sharing of high class information could continue once more. But, bet that never happens
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IIRC - VegasInvasion had already tried to purchase the rights to CROME and Cui refused. He also won't open source it either. What's sad is most people can work around and unlock the features for free if you know what you are doing. What's pure bullshit though, is that people like myself that LEGITIMATELY purchased a DEALER license suffer the same glitches with Gold ROMs that people that hacked their way into Pro / Dealer versions.
Others and myself have tried to contact him over the years about different issues and the guy never responds. You would think at some point this guy would have gotten his *** kicked for screwing over legitimate supporters because he lost interest of a college project. Obviously I had enough faith in the program to purchase the Dealer version, but it feels like a direct personal insult to have him screw with us to this day and not fix ****.
However, with all that crying out of the way I do still MUCH prefer the GUI over any other software out there. It's simplicity and refined look is much better than anything in the sub $1k Honda EMS world. It's just a damn shame without a doubt. IF, and that's a HUGE IF, he really was smart he would sell the rights while it is still barely worth anything. OBD-1 cars are dropping like flies and people are moving on to much better things and soon the D & B series that everyone has loved for DECADES will be old memories not even worth mentioning and CROME will still be the laughing stock of the tuning world.
Others and myself have tried to contact him over the years about different issues and the guy never responds. You would think at some point this guy would have gotten his *** kicked for screwing over legitimate supporters because he lost interest of a college project. Obviously I had enough faith in the program to purchase the Dealer version, but it feels like a direct personal insult to have him screw with us to this day and not fix ****.
However, with all that crying out of the way I do still MUCH prefer the GUI over any other software out there. It's simplicity and refined look is much better than anything in the sub $1k Honda EMS world. It's just a damn shame without a doubt. IF, and that's a HUGE IF, he really was smart he would sell the rights while it is still barely worth anything. OBD-1 cars are dropping like flies and people are moving on to much better things and soon the D & B series that everyone has loved for DECADES will be old memories not even worth mentioning and CROME will still be the laughing stock of the tuning world.
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IIRC - VegasInvasion had already tried to purchase the rights to CROME and Cui refused. He also won't open source it either. What's sad is most people can work around and unlock the features for free if you know what you are doing. What's pure bullshit though, is that people like myself that LEGITIMATELY purchased a DEALER license suffer the same glitches with Gold ROMs that people that hacked their way into Pro / Dealer versions.
Others and myself have tried to contact him over the years about different issues and the guy never responds. You would think at some point this guy would have gotten his *** kicked for screwing over legitimate supporters because he lost interest of a college project. Obviously I had enough faith in the program to purchase the Dealer version, but it feels like a direct personal insult to have him screw with us to this day and not fix ****.
However, with all that crying out of the way I do still MUCH prefer the GUI over any other software out there. It's simplicity and refined look is much better than anything in the sub $1k Honda EMS world. It's just a damn shame without a doubt. IF, and that's a HUGE IF, he really was smart he would sell the rights while it is still barely worth anything. OBD-1 cars are dropping like flies and people are moving on to much better things and soon the D & B series that everyone has loved for DECADES will be old memories not even worth mentioning and CROME will still be the laughing stock of the tuning world.
Others and myself have tried to contact him over the years about different issues and the guy never responds. You would think at some point this guy would have gotten his *** kicked for screwing over legitimate supporters because he lost interest of a college project. Obviously I had enough faith in the program to purchase the Dealer version, but it feels like a direct personal insult to have him screw with us to this day and not fix ****.
However, with all that crying out of the way I do still MUCH prefer the GUI over any other software out there. It's simplicity and refined look is much better than anything in the sub $1k Honda EMS world. It's just a damn shame without a doubt. IF, and that's a HUGE IF, he really was smart he would sell the rights while it is still barely worth anything. OBD-1 cars are dropping like flies and people are moving on to much better things and soon the D & B series that everyone has loved for DECADES will be old memories not even worth mentioning and CROME will still be the laughing stock of the tuning world.
Sell it John!
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IIRC - VegasInvasion had already tried to purchase the rights to CROME and Cui refused. He also won't open source it either. What's sad is most people can work around and unlock the features for free if you know what you are doing. What's pure bullshit though, is that people like myself that LEGITIMATELY purchased a DEALER license suffer the same glitches with Gold ROMs that people that hacked their way into Pro / Dealer versions.
IF, and that's a HUGE IF, he really was smart he would sell the rights while it is still barely worth anything. OBD-1 cars are dropping like flies and people are moving on to much better things and soon the D & B series that everyone has loved for DECADES will be old memories not even worth mentioning and CROME will still be the laughing stock of the tuning world.
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DC, do you have any programming experience? I'm a Web Developer/User Experience Designer by day, and have been building OBD1 Hondas on the side for 10 years, and tuning for the last few years. I have often dreamed about building an open source app for OBD1 ECUs despite the negatives you stated, with all the major core features needed to get going, get the community behind it, keeping it well documented and modular so other developers can create and share their own plugins to make its extensibility almost unlimitied essentially future proofing the app. There have got to be more turbo Honda developers out there that would get on board with this. If there are any others out there reading this, lets do it!
You are right though, it would be nice to have some source code to start with instead of building from scratch.
You are right though, it would be nice to have some source code to start with instead of building from scratch.
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DC, do you have any programming experience? I'm a Web Developer/User Experience Designer by day, and have been building OBD1 Hondas on the side for 10 years, and tuning for the last few years. I have often dreamed about building an open source app for OBD1 ECUs despite the negatives you stated, with all the major core features needed to get going, get the community behind it, keeping it well documented and modular so other developers can create and share their own plugins to make its extensibility almost unlimitied essentially future proofing the app. There have got to be more turbo Honda developers out there that would get on board with this. If there are any others out there reading this, lets do it!
You are right though, it would be nice to have some source code to start with instead of building from scratch.
You are right though, it would be nice to have some source code to start with instead of building from scratch.
Mega squirt would be the basis for such a system and I would love to be a part of it.....on J32a.org theirs a shop in NY thats developed a system using mega squirt for the J series, I haven't kept up on it but I imagine it's made more head way since AEM is the only other alternative and doesn't really have as solid of a system for the J since it was based on their F20c ECU.....
I wish I could recall the name of this outfit but I know they also developed a version for the K series too before putting their focus on the J.....
To do this for OBD1 platforms should be that much easier I imagine
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.....on J32a.org theirs a shop in NY thats developed a system using mega squirt for the J series, I haven't kept up on it but I imagine it's made more head way since AEM is the only other alternative and doesn't really have as solid of a system for the J since it was based on their F20c ECU.....
I wish I could recall the name of this outfit but I know they also developed a version for the K series too before putting their focus on the J.....
I wish I could recall the name of this outfit but I know they also developed a version for the K series too before putting their focus on the J.....
If anybody else has any interest or skills they would like to donate in an open source, plugin-centric, community-supported, OBD1 app project like what we are talking about, holler. Let's see if there is any interest.
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Oooh we need to get in touch with them. Might give us a good start. If you remember any info on them PM me. I'd like to start turning over rocks and see what kinda trouble we could get into with this thing.
If anybody else has any interest or skills they would like to donate in an open source, plugin-centric project like what we are talking about, holler. Let's see if there is any interest.
If anybody else has any interest or skills they would like to donate in an open source, plugin-centric project like what we are talking about, holler. Let's see if there is any interest.
also, I forgot, with Hondata you can tune some J series stuff thats 2007 and newer but dont quote me on it.....it involves linking into the CAN BUS for those vehicles
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RPM SYSTEMS - Parts / ECT
Ofcourse while looking for this on J32a.com (sorry said .org before) I noted another j series ecu from a place called J&R......I'm sure theirs other outfits jumping on in at this point but many are using Mega Squirt as the underlying system and it makes sense rather than sourcing all components your self not to mention the electrical engineering aspect of board design, etc.....
As far as the software end, like I said, some platforms such as Crome could be reverse engineered and then worked upon if given the right attention I feel and who knows or rather study the coding to create something much better.
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^That would be nice. Better processor, easier move to individual coils, true speed density, etc.
The OBD1 processors are ancient and really hamper adding more advanced features. Honda did a great job of working around their limited capabilities by using lookup tables, but you really just need more horsepower to do a correct VE model based SD strategy. Even that was 20+ years ago.
Would be nice to have at some sort of pseudo-OBD2 as well. Could be easily achieved, even just externally if CANbus is available... That would be the difference between me selling or keeping my daily if I get a job outside of this god forsaken swamp.
The OBD1 processors are ancient and really hamper adding more advanced features. Honda did a great job of working around their limited capabilities by using lookup tables, but you really just need more horsepower to do a correct VE model based SD strategy. Even that was 20+ years ago.
Would be nice to have at some sort of pseudo-OBD2 as well. Could be easily achieved, even just externally if CANbus is available... That would be the difference between me selling or keeping my daily if I get a job outside of this god forsaken swamp.
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^That would be nice. Better processor, easier move to individual coils, true speed density, etc.
The OBD1 processors are ancient and really hamper adding more advanced features. Honda did a great job of working around their limited capabilities by using lookup tables, but you really just need more horsepower to do a correct VE model based SD strategy. Even that was 20+ years ago.
Would be nice to have at some sort of pseudo-OBD2 as well. Could be easily achieved, even just externally if CANbus is available... That would be the difference between me selling or keeping my daily if I get a job outside of this god forsaken swamp.
The OBD1 processors are ancient and really hamper adding more advanced features. Honda did a great job of working around their limited capabilities by using lookup tables, but you really just need more horsepower to do a correct VE model based SD strategy. Even that was 20+ years ago.
Would be nice to have at some sort of pseudo-OBD2 as well. Could be easily achieved, even just externally if CANbus is available... That would be the difference between me selling or keeping my daily if I get a job outside of this god forsaken swamp.
Yeah I've always wanted to throw one of these together and see what all is possible from these DIY kits, I'm confident they're likely every bit as powerful as some standalones and I'm thinking about maybe shelling out some cash after tax season to put one together to play around with. I might resort to your feed back too if you didnt mind, I know you have a high aptitude for this side of things
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