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Old 03-03-2015, 08:21 AM
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Check it out guys M12x1.25 male m8x1.25 female gonna install it when i get home
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Looks good. 2 comments though:

1) I'm not sure I see the value over the $4 Toyota stud.
2) it has no wrench flats. How do you plan on tightening it on the block?
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Double nut or Channel Locks / Vice-grips LOL!!!
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Originally Posted by spAdam
Looks good. 2 comments though: 1) I'm not sure I see the value over the $4 Toyota stud. 2) it has no wrench flats. How do you plan on tightening it on the block?
I was reading the toyota stud was too long and the threads felt a little loose.

As for tightening i was just gonna red lock tight it in and use a shorter bolt on the female side too tq it down
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Originally Posted by OneBadTurboCRV
Double nut or Channel Locks / Vice-grips LOL!!!
Or double nut lol space might be a bitch
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Nice work man! Doublenut outta do the trick....I'll take one for when I get my secondary sensor going here....just gotta look into the ways in which this will wire in now between the KSMS and my audio circuit
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Ill make another 3 or 4 if you guys want one just paypal shipping
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Nice work man! Doublenut outta do the trick....I'll take one for when I get my secondary sensor going here....just gotta look into the ways in which this will wire in now between the KSMS and my audio circuit
Not sure if you have the PDF diagrams or not for KSMS, but you can just wire the second sensor in parallel. Enjoy!

http://www.viatrack.ca/KnockMS/KnockMS.PDF
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Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7
I was reading the toyota stud was too long and the threads felt a little loose.

As for tightening i was just gonna red lock tight it in and use a shorter bolt on the female side too tq it down
Right on

I didn't really see any issue with the stud size, but I guess a nice slip fit shoulder would be cool too.
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I didn't even realize it was not a double ended stud. Aren't you worried about interference? Although, since there is a nice flat surface to touch the block and knock sensor the only resonance issue might come from the "spacer" itself.

From my experience with the Toyota stud it is actually not long enough to bottom out in the block. This can somewhat make it a PITA to tighten the nut on the stud. You are almost forced to use the external torx socket and a combination wrench. Turbohatch's design eliminates this issue, so props to you man!
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Originally Posted by OneBadTurboCRV
Not sure if you have the PDF diagrams or not for KSMS, but you can just wire the second sensor in parallel. Enjoy!

http://www.viatrack.ca/KnockMS/KnockMS.PDF
Oh yeah I had this book marked lol but wanted to research the best ways to wire up two with our type circuit....not sure if I want a stereo effect going on between the two or not
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Any of you guys use spectrogram


Idk if im hearing knock at the 12-13 second mark.
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Any of you guys use spectrogram


Idk if im hearing knock at the 12-13 second mark. bosch knock sensor spectogram - YouTube
Yeah.....sounds similar to when I got knock but mine didn't occur until higher up between 7-8K (rpm)... also could have some audio clipping if the dB is too much for your PC mic...

The chirping birds sound I've heard faintly here and there at P/T Vacuum and when I removed timing it went away so in my case what I found was that around 4K from 110-860 mbar I seemed to be hearing light pinging where I heard the chirping birds/metal rod to wire fence type sound along with snaps and pops here and there that were out of sync with all other tones..

btw the sound quality is very audible, did you record this with your adapter in place, and I assume you made the same circuit design as we're all using here to listen?

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That sounds like clipping to me.
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This is still an excellent sample of what it sounds like which may sound similar to clipping when recorded but is pretty much what I heard at WOT on older Crome tunes that I got under control with less timing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGJZ6kKzLus&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Originally Posted by DC_Legacy
Yeah.....sounds similar to when I got knock but mine didn't occur until higher up between 7-8K (rpm)... also could have some audio clipping if the dB is too much for your PC mic... The chirping birds sound I've heard faintly here and there at P/T Vacuum and when I removed timing it went away so in my case what I found was that around 4K from 110-860 mbar I seemed to be hearing light pinging where I heard the chirping birds/metal rod to wire fence type sound along with snaps and pops here and there that were out of sync with all other tones.. btw the sound quality is very audible, did you record this with your adapter in place, and I assume you made the same circuit design as we're all using here to listen?

This was using the bosch sensor and wired up straight to my laptop.

I also used my beats headphones and the fiio6 amplifier and hear the same things if i go from 2nd gear and mash the pedal real quick i hear the bird chirp or metallic noise.

The thing with the spectorgram is i should be able to see this on the wave.
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Originally Posted by spAdam
That sounds like clipping to me.
Whats clipping?

My wiring is shielded either so im going to try and find some shielded cable to use today
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Originally Posted by DC_Legacy
This is still an excellent sample of what it sounds like which may sound similar to clipping when recorded but is pretty much what I heard at WOT on older Crome tunes that I got under control with less timing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGJZ...e_gdata_player
After listening to this i have that same sound as if a marble is bouncing in the cylinder but not that popping noise.
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Heres what i should be seeing in the spectogram from knock

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Originally Posted by turbohatch96y7
Whats clipping?
Clipping (audio) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Found by using Google...
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That's funny, I was just about to use an overdriven guitar as an example.
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I also heard the same exact noise when i had the old det can setup at low rpm. The same chirp sound.

Heres a shot of the db levels looks like at the same point of the chirp they drop.

Im still new to reading this stuff so iono
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What program are you using there?
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Same one spectrogram 16

After reading the help file i had the gain set way too high. Gonna do another recording after work


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