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Old 01-21-2012, 05:53 PM   #26
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I use newegg for ASUS, be wary of bestbuy when I bought mine it came with a 2 year warranty and 1 yr accidential drops and spills warranty but the same models at bestbuy on had 1 one year warranty

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asus site definitely is terrible. no way to filter searches - once you get to a general category, the model numbers pop up and you have no idea wtf they mean unless you click on them. i too was using newegg but was worried i was missing something and also it kept resetting for me at the time.

OP, if you are looking for something that long term with a laptop, you might want to consider the extended service plans. i have been using dell small business plans since 2003 and have decided that i can't live without a full service warranty plan, especially with dell's mediocre mid-level (inspiron, vostro) machine quality (can't speak about latitude, etc). full service meaning full tech support, next business day on site repair, etc. while i am using my machine for recreation, i also use it for business and it must be operating properly.

their service and overall deals have kept me in the dell circle however i'm now like you, researching where else i can go because the quality of their mid-level machines is just so mediocre. but i have to have that same sort of coverage for an extended period. i had my 8500 for 4 years and have now had my 9400 for 5 years in may...and that is the date my coverage runs out so i need to get something asap.

at this stage, because i need rock solid reliability and still want a 17" screen, i am having a very hard time finding anything worthwhile that can still have a long term care package.

toshiba seems to be pretty good and has some nice machines, especially the series you are looking at, i just don't recall anything about their warranty stuff but i do know support is middle of the pack. i would stay away from HP at this point even though they continue to push their PC division; they are run so poorly as a company they scare me. plus, the envy seems to have more problems related to the touchpad than it should imo. i like my 32gb touchpad doe, esp at a $100 cost

i am focused on lenovo because of their durability and very stout reputation and service/tech ratings. they aren't sexy machines, per se, but they work well and that is what most people really need. the biggest issue for me is the lack of larger screen machines.
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http://www.dealsofamerica.com/indexc.php

first page, they update all the time they don't actually sell anything they just show you the deals and link you to them

here is one of the lenovo links
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/c...%3A00004F49%3A
i browse deals of america daily, some good deals can be had on there. I saw the Z570 at a local store. didnt like it.

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I use newegg for ASUS, be wary of bestbuy when I bought mine it came with a 2 year warranty and 1 yr accidential drops and spills warranty but the same models at bestbuy on had 1 one year warranty

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i was looking for Asus on newegg but they dont carry the entire line up.

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asus site definitely is terrible. no way to filter searches - once you get to a general category, the model numbers pop up and you have no idea wtf they mean unless you click on them. i too was using newegg but was worried i was missing something and also it kept resetting for me at the time.

OP, if you are looking for something that long term with a laptop, you might want to consider the extended service plans. i have been using dell small business plans since 2003 and have decided that i can't live without a full service warranty plan, especially with dell's mediocre mid-level (inspiron, vostro) machine quality (can't speak about latitude, etc). full service meaning full tech support, next business day on site repair, etc. while i am using my machine for recreation, i also use it for business and it must be operating properly.

their service and overall deals have kept me in the dell circle however i'm now like you, researching where else i can go because the quality of their mid-level machines is just so mediocre. but i have to have that same sort of coverage for an extended period. i had my 8500 for 4 years and have now had my 9400 for 5 years in may...and that is the date my coverage runs out so i need to get something asap.

at this stage, because i need rock solid reliability and still want a 17" screen, i am having a very hard time finding anything worthwhile that can still have a long term care package.

toshiba seems to be pretty good and has some nice machines, especially the series you are looking at, i just don't recall anything about their warranty stuff but i do know support is middle of the pack. i would stay away from HP at this point even though they continue to push their PC division; they are run so poorly as a company they scare me. plus, the envy seems to have more problems related to the touchpad than it should imo. i like my 32gb touchpad doe, esp at a $100 cost

i am focused on lenovo because of their durability and very stout reputation and service/tech ratings. they aren't sexy machines, per se, but they work well and that is what most people really need. the biggest issue for me is the lack of larger screen machines.
yup asus site sucks. They are losing a lot of sales IMO just for that reason alone.

a friend suggested samsung series 7 chrono, checked it out on the web and it seems like a killer laptop. super thin, all aluminum shell and top of the line hardware. would like to see it in person but nobody around here has one in stock...

decided not to go with Sony for a few important reasons.

good news: turns out HP has completly redesigned the ENVY series and it was released earlier this month. it no longer looks like the crap i posted in the first post. it seems like a killer laptop with all the latest hardware, a nice screen and 6 speaker + woofer beats audio. i customized one on their site and it came out to $1600. after a 30% off coupon it comes out to $1200 and im sold. there are a few issues with it as its a new model. I bought one from costco to try it out for a few months and see how I like it. if it ends up being solid i might keep it or return it and order a custom one from HP in a couple months when all the bugs are worked out. i'll keep you guys updated on this after i receive the laptop.

builthatch perhaps look into the 17" HP ENVY? it seems like a really high quality laptop and HP nailed it.i was reading reviews all day today. its comparable to macbook pro at half the price. plus the ENVY series comes with 2 year warranty standard.. for $1200 you get a killer laptop honestly... but lenovo might offer u the better overall coverage.

after 30% off this laptop comes to $1200 and you get: i7 2670, 750gb 7200 rpm HD, 8 gb 1600mhz ram, 1 GB ATI 7960, 15.6" full HD 1900 resolution, 6 speaker and a woofer beats audio, led backlit keyboard, slot loading dvd drive, 1" thick full metal shell and 2 year warranty.

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thanks. HP just scares the crap out of me because of how the company is run. if i'm going to be with a machine for the long term, i have to look at how stable the company will be over that course.

but the machine on paper looks nice, i have to agree there.

you mentioned a 30% coupon...what is that?
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thanks. HP just scares the crap out of me because of how the company is run. if i'm going to be with a machine for the long term, i have to look at how stable the company will be over that course.

but the machine on paper looks nice, i have to agree there.

you mentioned a 30% coupon...what is that?
my sister had a compaq for 4 years and the only thing she had a problem was a screen which they replaced without a hassle. right now she has a newer HP with no issues. but HP will not make PC's anymore so who knows where their service will end up...

coupons can be found here:
http://www.techbargains.com/vendor_d...HP-coupon-code

customize the 17" on their site and see how much it will come out to be. plus if u have a discover card, they will give you 5% cashback on your HP.com purchase which saves you another $60 or so. I honestly cant think of any other laptop that will come close to the hardware specs this offers for the price !
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my sister had a compaq for 4 years and the only thing she had a problem was a screen which they replaced without a hassle. right now she has a newer HP with no issues. but HP will not make PC's anymore so who knows where their service will end up...

coupons can be found here:
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customize the 17" on their site and see how much it will come out to be. plus if u have a discover card, they will give you 5% cashback on your HP.com purchase which saves you another $60 or so. I honestly cant think of any other laptop that will come close to the hardware specs this offers for the price !
i do have a discover card - that is a solid additional tip, thanks!

the internal issues at HP do have me very concerned.

does the reported keyboard flex issue bother you? i guess no matter what i am interested in, i need to go try one first. interestingly, if i do, it will be the first time i go out and try a laptop before purchase, lol.
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but i'm a-ok with it as far as the touchpad, haha.


You can tell by the hardware on the TP though.... HP doesn't give a rat's *** about quality.
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i do have a discover card - that is a solid additional tip, thanks!

the internal issues at HP do have me very concerned.

does the reported keyboard flex issue bother you? i guess no matter what i am interested in, i need to go try one first. interestingly, if i do, it will be the first time i go out and try a laptop before purchase, lol.
you have to link yourself to HP's site through discover's website to get that 5% off. just go to cashback bonus and look for retailers. if u order directly form HP u wont get cashback.

I wasn't ready to buy one from HP yet so i ordered one from costco to try it out for a few months before i make the investment. it arrives on friday so we will see how it is. I doubt you can find this laptop at a local store yet, it was released earlier this month

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Well gentlemen I received the laptop yesterday in the morning and have spend some time on it.

My initial impression is WOW ! I am a very picky individual and particular about what I like. I have quickly ruled out a lot of the laptops on the market based on fit and finish along with design/appreance alone. That goes for the rest of the HP lineup including the $1000 DV series which IMO lacks material quality and is average in overall fitment finish.

HP did a great job with the NEW Envy. The overall fit and finish is superb. The entire shell is metal, including the lid and the bottom. the battery and serial numbers are hidden inside. every corner and piece comes together nicely with no uneven gaps or misalignments whatsoever. the only two complaints so far arethat the lid is not finger print proof and the charger plug is on the right side as opposed to left. other than that it is very simple and sleek with a couple nice color accents for contrast.

This laptop features a 6 speaker and 2 woofer beats audio. LED backlit keyboard with proximity sensor (leds turn off when you step away from computer and turn back on when you return). the entire monitor is glass end to end. there is a 15.6" HD screen with 1900 resolution available for $150 more, highly recommend this. there are no mouse buttons, the entire touchpad is one piece. the deck looks like a mac rip off but i dont mind it considering that it is half the price. battery life is great, it lasted me over 4 hours of basic browsing and youtube. its not the lightest but it is definetly light and moderatey slim at ~1.1" thick. it comes with a 2 year standard warranty. Overall i am very pleased so far and it meets my expectations. I highly recommend this and those of you in the market for a new laptop should at least try it out at a local store. there is a 17.3" and 17.3" 3D screen available. with the 30% off coupon out there, you can get the 17 and 15" for abut $1300 with quad core I7, 1GB Radeon 7690, 8 gigbs of 1600mhz memory, HD screen with 1900 display and a 750GB 7200 RPM HD. Well worth the price IMO...

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how is the keyboard? does it flex noticeably?

that has been a huge complaint that worries me. i wish i had some place i could go check one out just to see. maybe best buy? ain't no costcos around here.
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flex? on what part? the entire deck is one piece aluminum and the keys pop through the holes individually. no flex at all. I saw one on display at frys too but im not sure if they have locations on the east. it just came out this month so give it a few weeks before it hits the stores. havent seen it at best buy. for the money, it cant be beat IMO, especially in 17' form which is what u want.

when i say im picky about fit and finish, this is as detailed as i get. for example the HP DV series has this silver piece of plastic that wraps around the deck and pops in between the top of the deck and the bottom. you can literally grab it and pull it out, exposing the speakers and internals. this is too cheap for me

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the Envy is not like that, the top of the deck is one piece with the sides and simply bent 90 degrees.

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i keep reading about it.
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I keep reading about how hot the computer gets, especially the keyboard.
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lol do you realize how much force he is putting on those keys to get it to do that? the keyboard is obviously a BOARD, he is putting soooo much pressure on the key that it causes the surrounding keys and the board itself to sink in. you can even see him press X and Z at the same time to force the board in further.... nobody uses anywhere near that much pressure when typing ! that video IMO is dumb imo.. now that u pointed it out, the only flex i am noticing is around qwe which makes 123 sink in a little under slightly harder than normal taps. normal taps on 123 cause above keys to sink. thats about it under normal use.

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i have a compaq from 5 years ago that runs like an oven, so hot the battery stops charing. havent even heard the fans on this thing spinning, let alone keyboard getting hot.

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lol do you realize how much force he is putting on those keys to get it to do that? the keyboard is obviously a BOARD, he is putting soooo much pressure on the key that it causes the surrounding keys and the board itself to sink in. you can even see him press X and Z at the same time to force the board in further.... nobody uses anywhere near that much pressure when typing ! that video IMO is dumb imo.. now that u pointed it out, the only flex i am noticing is around qwe which makes 123 sink in a little under slightly harder than normal taps. normal taps on 123 cause above keys to sink. thats about it under normal use.
imo he's doing it for demonstration purposes re: a problem that a lot of people complain about in reviews; otherwise, it'd be hard to pick up on a camera if he didn't exaggerate things. all i'm saying is it's a common complaint. on my dell, the keyboard doesn't bounce at all so i can't even imagine what that would be like. i would like to try it and see and i'm glad you don't perceive any keyboard bounce during your typing.
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All of these issues seem to be very common, but don't exist in every case. It really makes me wonder about overall quality control.
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imo he's doing it for demonstration purposes re: a problem that a lot of people complain about in reviews; otherwise, it'd be hard to pick up on a camera if he didn't exaggerate things. all i'm saying is it's a common complaint. on my dell, the keyboard doesn't bounce at all so i can't even imagine what that would be like. i would like to try it and see and i'm glad you don't perceive any keyboard bounce during your typing.
i do notice a little bit of flex in the upper left corner but if u hadnt mentioned it, i would have probably never even found out as i look at the screen when i type, not pay attention to the surrounding keys.... I do agree that the upper left corner could use a little better support underneat. in any case, i shot this right now. you be the judge, pay very close attention to the last 45 seconds of the video

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Sigh... more quality craftmanship from HP

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Sigh... more quality craftmanship from HP

everyone likes to jump on the HP sucks bandwagon. I agree the ENVY keyboard could have been designed better, but if you think this is bad, i URGE you to try typing on the latest sony vaio S. the keyboard flex is 10x worse.
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I will say it again... HP doesn't know what quality is!

Btw we met with the rep from Toshiba and he will be giving us all the laptop for our company at a 25% discount as well as putting us part of the Toshiba family... which allows up to have access to mostly any product at a reduced cost.

Oh btw Built, the rep at Toshiba said that as long as the laptop is under warranty they will come and service. He said 4 hours is the wait time for a tech to be on site... they hit usually 3 hours. He even told us to keep the 2 laptops he brought for us to try for free!

Quality from the Toshiba is far superior to the HP I have. My Asus at home is a notch higher then the Toshiba but I am very happy with Toshiba.... bye bye HP!!!
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I will say it again... HP doesn't know what quality is!

Btw we met with the rep from Toshiba and he will be giving us all the laptop for our company at a 25% discount as well as putting us part of the Toshiba family... which allows up to have access to mostly any product at a reduced cost.

Oh btw Built, the rep at Toshiba said that as long as the laptop is under warranty they will come and service. He said 4 hours is the wait time for a tech to be on site... they hit usually 3 hours. He even told us to keep the 2 laptops he brought for us to try for free!

Quality from the Toshiba is far superior to the HP I have. My Asus at home is a notch higher then the Toshiba but I am very happy with Toshiba.... bye bye HP!!!
the Qosmio i5 17.3 seems pretty ideal for what i need, but it's SO incredibly damn ugly!!! horrid.

i wish i could try one out first, but they are not available anywhere remotely close to my area.

i do like the fact that you can get up to 3 year on site...that is dope.

is your rep Canada-only?
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I will say it again... HP doesn't know what quality is!
pretty happy with my Envy's build quality so far. hp really did a great job with them. only design flaw is indeed the slight flex on the left side of the keyboard. it IS my first HP so Im not biased. ASUS can have all the quality in the world but their 15" laptops are fugly and fat. for that reason, i couldnt care less about the brand. Like toshiba more than HP, but again their 15" are not slim. you think HP quality sucks? wait till the ENVY spectre 14 is released tomorrow, you'd be surprised.
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