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just a couple points of fact that have not been posted in this thread:
1) his wreck happened at 1:30 in the afternoon, after the racing had been postponed an hour due to weather (from 11a to noon) and postponed another hour and a half to repair the right guardrail after the red CRX hit it in the noon run. While it was chilly all day, by 1:30 the sun had been out for a while and it was no longer 'cold'.
2) he nearly crossed the center line at 1/8 mile, and tried to pedal it out, as was apparently his nature. he caught the end of a rail at one of the track exits. if his car had hooked ten feet sooner or later, he probably would have caught the face of the left rail like the red CRX caught the face of the right.
3) the racetrack had an EMT on site, they did not have an ambulance. the track's EMT was on scene within seconds of the event occurring. the report is that the track's EMT managed to resuscitate him (or at least get him to breathe on his own), but i did not hear about his state of consciousness. from the on-scene reports, he was breathing when the ambulance got there, he was breathing as the firemen jaws-of-life'd him out of the car, and he was breathing when the ambulance left. again, I have no idea what his other states were, but looking at the car, it's safe to assume they were not good.
4) i'm not aware of any of the IFO staff being involved with the tech procedures of the race. from what i saw, the entirety of the race side of the event was handled by the track's staff, which makes sense....since they are the ones who do this. I cannot guess what he told them the car would do, and why they would allow it to run without the proper safety equipment for the speed/time. however, I've known several people who will lie to tech and underbid their times in order to be allowed to race without the extra equipment.
5) since the track is a NHRA sanctioned track, the NHRA will do (or has done) an investigation to make sure proper procedures were followed. I don't know what those are or what the outcome would be, but i'm sure this is not something either the track or the NHRA takes lightly. that being said...accidents do happen. even on the best days, in the best cars.
If we can take anything from this terrible event, let it be a call for any of us in any type of racing to mitigate our risks as much as possible. it is our butt in the seat. at the line, we have full control of our immediate future, not the builder, not the tech shed, not the guy who cast the wheels or laced the belts, not the people who own the track.
if you built your car, make sure you are comfortable with it. if someone built it for you, make sure you are comfortable with it. if you are borrowing someone's car, make sure you are comfortable with it. we cannot plan for every contingency, we cannot mitigate every risk, but we can try to. if you are going to run any cage, you might as well run all the cage. if you are going to wear a harness and helmet, you might as well run a HAN device of some sort. if you are going to build a short wheelbase car that has a major weight bias at one end, you might as well run a parachute that balances that bias out when you really need it to. i know nobody wants to spend that money. I don't want to, either. i'd rather buy more power, more grip, or less weight....but i owe it to myself and my loved ones to balance that power and grip and weight with safety.
The saftey is always lacking at the import face off events in wichita. All they said is that if your car runs faster than 13s to wear a helmet. I'm not sure about the cages but he's ran that same car at the last two import face offs here in Wichita and the "safety people" let him run 9s with only a 6 piont every time. I remember seeing him for the first time racing in his crx and knowing that he was one of the best there was... R.I.P Jason Lumpkin correct me if I'm wrong but I remember his last pass was 9.26 this man was amazing and he will never be forgotten
Weird that Phong and Jason both crashed...two CRX's pretty much same shop.
Did they both lose it in the same lane? You say Lump swerved at 1/8th...what about Phong?
Wondering about the dip I heard several mentions of online and thru friends?
Shitty tracks ftl.
Wasn't there a Louisiana event same day? Man, I wish they'd have attended that one, instead.
From someone that watched two cars completetech at this event, to say it was lacking is an understatement. I don'tthink they spent 20 seconds looking at the cars, and they never opened the doorof the cars to even glance at the cages, seat, and harnesses. One of thecars had tinted windows, so they could not have done a quick glance through thewindows.
R.I.P. Jason. I did not know you, but you were well respected, and that goes a long way.
Weird that Phong and Jason both crashed...two CRX's pretty much same shop.
Did they both lose it in the same lane? You say Lump swerved at 1/8th...what about Phong?
Wondering about the dip I heard several mentions of online and thru friends?
Shitty tracks ftl.
Wasn't there a Louisiana event same day? Man, I wish they'd have attended that one, instead.
the red CRX was in the left lane, hit the brakes shortly after the 1/4 and swerved right, hitting the right rail:
the white CRX was in the right lane, drifted towards the center line at the 1/8, crossed the line at 9.2/150, swung left and hit the end of the left rail at one of the exits.
I've never raced at KID, so I don't know about a dip. I do know that many drag strips run downhill until they get past the line, then they run uphill. that transition necessitates something that might be called a dip. I cannot compare KID's to Thunder Valley, Tulsa Int'l, or Ennis.
CRXs are inherently unstable due to their short wheelbase. obviously, FWD drag cars have an intentional front weight bias and tiny rear tire. these two factors make them harder to control than most other cars. snap oversteer is a real thing in well balanced road race prepped CRXs, it's got to be even worse in drag prepped CRXs.
Even on my EH...I've been lucky enuff to correct without impact many times, nutted up on street one night perceiving minimal braking distance available...damn, lock to lock and major pucker. Unloading rear anytime things happen with quickness.
It could just be the view, but looks like not much left in that viddy (braking distance.)
Even on my EH...I've been lucky enuff to correct without impact many times, nutted up on street one night perceiving minimal braking distance available...damn, lock to lock and major pucker. Unloading rear anytime things happen with quickness.
I've lost count of the number of times I've done that on track. scares the **** out of me every time.
It could just be the view, but looks like not much left in that viddy (braking distance.)
looking at the google map of the place, it looks like it has about a 1/2 mile of shut down beyond the 1/4 stripe. witnesses suggest that he hit the brakes trying to make a too-early exit and lost control of the car.
Thanks for posting that vid, I hadn't seen it.
just happened across it looking for more info about lumpkin's crash.
Weird that Phong and Jason both crashed...two CRX's pretty much same shop.
Did they both lose it in the same lane? You say Lump swerved at 1/8th...what about Phong?
Wondering about the dip I heard several mentions of online and thru friends?
Shitty tracks ftl.
Wasn't there a Louisiana event same day? Man, I wish they'd have attended that one, instead.
I run that track every year, several times a year. Ive made 150mph passes on it and never had an issue at the end. Never felt a dip or a bump, unless that is something that developed very very recently. I wouldnt say it is a shitty track. It used to be, but they made it better in the past years. Now the only difference between lump and my 150mph passes, is when I felt my car get squirly at the end, I had a parachute and pulled it. But I also felt the same thing at the Noble track and pulled my chute there too.
Its hard to speculate what happened without actually being in the car. Like mine, it was simply the rear tires being unloaded under braking.
But regardless of how it happened, it happened and it sucks so bad. Jason was such a great guy and I will miss seeing him at the track every event. He has given me so much advise and help through the past few years I went all motor and he made me a better racer. R.I.P Jason. The entire racing community will miss you very much.
I have Videos on my FB of Phongs wreck, not of Jasons.
The Track was utter GARBAGE. The Shutdown area, as soon as you passed the traps is bumpy and has Sand/Dirt blowing on it from a dirt track.. The track was the entire issue.
After Phongs wreck, the drag racing part should have been shut down.. any type of serious wreck should shut it down at this point..
Flying out Thursday - Jason and I were brothers and super close.. i've not been right since sunday.. its so hard to deal with this.
in this recent vid you can see where the track goes from the new concrete to the old cracked and bumpy where it gets dangerous and also where Jason lost control
This track is not safe and I hope they either rebuild the shutoff portion or just shut it down after what happened Sunday. Race in paradise Jason Lumpkin
I have Videos on my FB of Phongs wreck, not of Jasons.
The Track was utter GARBAGE. The Shutdown area, as soon as you passed the traps is bumpy and has Sand/Dirt blowing on it from a dirt track.. The track was the entire issue.
After Phongs wreck, the drag racing part should have been shut down.. any type of serious wreck should shut it down at this point..
Flying out Thursday - Jason and I were brothers and super close.. i've not been right since sunday.. its so hard to deal with this.
As you can see in the first crash something on the track was causing him to slide like he was on ice after the 1/4. The motor cross event was so close that a lot of people were watching it from the carshow portion of import face off. It is so obvious that dirt from the mx track was getting on the poorly built drag strip. It was extremely windy and in this picture you can see that the starting gate is right next to where they both lost control on the light colored Concrete. Idk whose idea it was to have the bikes and cars racing at the same time but I'm pretty sure that after the cleanup crew cleaned the track from the red crx crash the motor cross bikes started a race again. It is an extremely high possibility that the dirt from the bikes taking off the line got on the track making it like snow for the drag slicks and the huge cracks and bumps on the track didn't help. I hope that you can see what I'm saying in the picture . I truly think that this is exactly what happened causing both cars to lose control and crash after the 1/4. Race in paradise Jason Lumpkin.
Man watching that rail pass the line and seeing that first exit come up with him bouncing gave me the chills. Especially in the left lane, and you would have no time to react. I find that first exit is way too close to the line, that rail wasn't super fast and it was on the first exit as soon as he lifted.
I thought that I was the only one that saw the car moving in and out of the groove quite a bit going down the track. He did cross the centerline after the 1000' cone. That lead to the correction to the right wall, and the over-correction that sent him into the skid.
Originally Posted by psychoboy
just a couple points of fact that have not been posted in this thread:
1) his wreck happened at 1:30 in the afternoon, after the racing had been postponed an hour due to weather (from 11a to noon) and postponed another hour and a half to repair the right guardrail after the red CRX hit it in the noon run. While it was chilly all day, by 1:30 the sun had been out for a while and it was no longer 'cold'.
2) he nearly crossed the center line at 1/8 mile, and tried to pedal it out, as was apparently his nature. he caught the end of a rail at one of the track exits. if his car had hooked ten feet sooner or later, he probably would have caught the face of the left rail like the red CRX caught the face of the right.
3) the racetrack had an EMT on site, they did not have an ambulance. the track's EMT was on scene within seconds of the event occurring. the report is that the track's EMT managed to resuscitate him (or at least get him to breathe on his own), but i did not hear about his state of consciousness. from the on-scene reports, he was breathing when the ambulance got there, he was breathing as the firemen jaws-of-life'd him out of the car, and he was breathing when the ambulance left. again, I have no idea what his other states were, but looking at the car, it's safe to assume they were not good.
4) i'm not aware of any of the IFO staff being involved with the tech procedures of the race. from what i saw, the entirety of the race side of the event was handled by the track's staff, which makes sense....since they are the ones who do this. I cannot guess what he told them the car would do, and why they would allow it to run without the proper safety equipment for the speed/time. however, I've known several people who will lie to tech and underbid their times in order to be allowed to race without the extra equipment.
5) since the track is a NHRA sanctioned track, the NHRA will do (or has done) an investigation to make sure proper procedures were followed. I don't know what those are or what the outcome would be, but i'm sure this is not something either the track or the NHRA takes lightly. that being said...accidents do happen. even on the best days, in the best cars.
If we can take anything from this terrible event, let it be a call for any of us in any type of racing to mitigate our risks as much as possible. it is our butt in the seat. at the line, we have full control of our immediate future, not the builder, not the tech shed, not the guy who cast the wheels or laced the belts, not the people who own the track.
if you built your car, make sure you are comfortable with it. if someone built it for you, make sure you are comfortable with it. if you are borrowing someone's car, make sure you are comfortable with it. we cannot plan for every contingency, we cannot mitigate every risk, but we can try to. if you are going to run any cage, you might as well run all the cage. if you are going to wear a harness and helmet, you might as well run a HAN device of some sort. if you are going to build a short wheelbase car that has a major weight bias at one end, you might as well run a parachute that balances that bias out when you really need it to. i know nobody wants to spend that money. I don't want to, either. i'd rather buy more power, more grip, or less weight....but i owe it to myself and my loved ones to balance that power and grip and weight with safety.
03-21-2016, 01:39 PM
Re: R.I.P Jason Lumpkin " you will be missed "
