Parachute and tether mounting locations
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How sure are we that it was the chute that caused the accident? Looking at the video and 2nd pic that Tepid posted it almost look like something broke on the passenger side. Control arm, lower ball joint maybe? Not saying the transfer of weight from the rear lifting didnt cause it but does look like something gave out there.
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You need some type of wing on the car. I had a small carbon duck wing years ago. For 1 run I removed it to see if the "drag" was slowing me down. The car was very unstable in 3rd and 4th gear but with the wing it was very easy to drive..
I don't like to pull the chute. I run all 4 brakes with 4 piston calibers up front and zero weight ballast in the bumper area. I don't know if its the safest/best but its what I feel is the safest/best for me.
I've said it many times before IMO driving these cars are easy its stopping is where you need to drive them.
I don't like to pull the chute. I run all 4 brakes with 4 piston calibers up front and zero weight ballast in the bumper area. I don't know if its the safest/best but its what I feel is the safest/best for me.
I've said it many times before IMO driving these cars are easy its stopping is where you need to drive them.
I went through a few different stages with my car, 100% stock Aero to Front splitter/flat bottom and rear diffuser, to a Drag wing i build myself.
Under acceleration with 100% stock aero, the car would move around in 4th and 5th gear and under braking it would move around a good amount.
Once i did the Front splitter/flat bottom and rear diffuser, the car was a ******* dart under acceleration. It was straight, and i am not scared to drive this car at 180+ with a 20 mph sidewind at all anymore. I have not done very good testing, there is a possibility the diffuser is hurting me a little bit but i am ok with that because it no longer scares me at the speeds i am going. All of that was worth a minimum of 5mph too.
I did 1 pass with my FACTORY GSR wing OFF the car, and i about lost the car under braking! Like as soon as i touched the brakes at 185 rear end went sideways. So note to self, dont ever run a car with no wing that came with a wing factory! Unless you do a drag wing with a wicker on it.
I have to be hard on the brakes at some of these 1/2 mile events because there isn't much braking room. Sure its a 5000ft runway, but you are floored for 2640ft, and by the time you hit the brakes you are 300-500ft past that.. It sounds like a lot but it really isn't.
After my almost losing it, i decided to do a drag style wing. AFTER i did this wing, i can say i am happy with it. Car under braking seems to be more stable than ever. STILL does move around braking, and if you REALLY unsettle the car then it can get scary.
I have 6 piston calipers with 12" rotors on the front and factory gsr Discs in the back with pretty aggressive pads.
Pics of said car:
While the Wing on a Factory R35 GTR is worth about 2-3 mph in the 1/4 mile at 180+mph.. It makes the car VERY unstable under both acceleration and braking. If you watch this video of My boss looping out at 200+mph, you can hear the car in both 4th/5th and how there is slight tire spin.
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You need some type of wing on the car. I had a small carbon duck wing years ago. For 1 run I removed it to see if the "drag" was slowing me down. The car was very unstable in 3rd and 4th gear but with the wing it was very easy to drive..
I don't like to pull the chute. I run all 4 brakes with 4 piston calibers up front and zero weight ballast in the bumper area. I don't know if its the safest/best but its what I feel is the safest/best for me.
I've said it many times before IMO driving these cars are easy its stopping is where you need to drive them.
I don't like to pull the chute. I run all 4 brakes with 4 piston calibers up front and zero weight ballast in the bumper area. I don't know if its the safest/best but its what I feel is the safest/best for me.
I've said it many times before IMO driving these cars are easy its stopping is where you need to drive them.
#29
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I was at the end of the track near sauce spot when Reynolds lost it. I'm with Jeff "don't pull the chute" Evans. But I have a quick question I'm in a dc chassis and hoping to go 9.7-9.8. It's still a street car so I want to run 4 brakes but I have a cnc staging brake and everyone one has told me since I'm running skinnies to cap the rear. It won't see a lot of street but when it does its also on skinnies. I've ridden motorcycles forever so I understand the physics and practice of only using fronts but I'm just looking for some guidance.
Just make sure you have a more aggressive pad on the front brakes and less aggressive in the rear. I run Hawk HP+ front, Hawk HPS in rear.
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I hate rear brakes on these cars. Never had a problem stopping with only front brakes (stock at that), but I was only trapping low 160's.
#32
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It gives you more stopping power so that you dont need to jamb the brakes on after the traps.. Not everyone like rear brakes and alot of cars stop without them but they are what I choose to regardless of what the masses say..
I had no issues stopped at 170+ with power brakes and the key is to apply the brakes easy. The more you jamb them on the more of a hand full it becomes. I dont see braking being an issue til you cross over the 165mph range.
I had no issues stopped at 170+ with power brakes and the key is to apply the brakes easy. The more you jamb them on the more of a hand full it becomes. I dont see braking being an issue til you cross over the 165mph range.
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My car is a DC2, runs all 4 brakes.. Factory rear disc, and when i drag race i have factory front calipers/rotors. With skinnies on, no issues stopping from 158 trap.
Just make sure you have a more aggressive pad on the front brakes and less aggressive in the rear. I run Hawk HP+ front, Hawk HPS in rear.
Just make sure you have a more aggressive pad on the front brakes and less aggressive in the rear. I run Hawk HP+ front, Hawk HPS in rear.
#34
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There is more to it than just tag points for the chute. Similar to what Rick said, the front wheels are becoming a pivotal point in these cars. If you take weight out of the back, you have to compensate some how. A wing can do that.... if you use it properly.
The wing on the Tial car had a large role in why the chute lifted, thus lifting the car. The rake on the wing was too negative, which is great for aero performance, however, it lifted the chute.
In my opinion, the tag line should be in line with the frame rails of the car. It's a relatively neutral position and will distribute the force evenly.
The wing on the Tial car had a large role in why the chute lifted, thus lifting the car. The rake on the wing was too negative, which is great for aero performance, however, it lifted the chute.
In my opinion, the tag line should be in line with the frame rails of the car. It's a relatively neutral position and will distribute the force evenly.
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I never slam the brakes, always squeeze in to them. How many people are dropping off the throttle but not simultaneously pushing in the clutch? When i see people not push in the clutch pedal after the stripe its just asking for a rear pickup and a crash.
What if people let the car settle down for a second after letting off and then throw the chute? What if you accelerate into the chute until it hits?
What if people let the car settle down for a second after letting off and then throw the chute? What if you accelerate into the chute until it hits?
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I never slam the brakes, always squeeze in to them. How many people are dropping off the throttle but not simultaneously pushing in the clutch? When i see people not push in the clutch pedal after the stripe its just asking for a rear pickup and a crash.
What if people let the car settle down for a second after letting off and then throw the chute? What if you accelerate into the chute until it hits?
What if people let the car settle down for a second after letting off and then throw the chute? What if you accelerate into the chute until it hits?
#39
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I thought that is what most people do, usually I see the chute pulled just before the line and under power. Makes more sense that way for sure. Our car doesn't trap nearly what you guys are doing but if you jump on the brakes hard the front dives down and you can rub the slicks so we just ease the brakes on and not bother with the first turn onto the return road. Taking the second turn only takes a few more seconds and is a lot less beating on the brakes and car.
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