MR.johnson

anyone else?

Ron Burgandy

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To answer some questions:

What is the purpose? - do you like giving away tenths on your shifts? I don't. The dog engagement is much quicker (no syncro to line up or lock you out at full throttle shift) also much smoother.

Still helical? - yes the gears are still helical cut but with a handcuff it actually holds the stacks pretty good and keeps the gears from wanting to pull away from each other. (Albins dog boxes are helical cut)

If you don't delete 5th gear to run a handcuff, you are really wasting your time with this setup. I'm also not sold on a cryo treatment on stock gears.....sure it would help, but from a cost benefit standpoint why not just buy an Albins or Liberty or G-force if your looking to spend frivolous cash.

From liberty: $80 per gear (1-4) new 1-2 slider $150 new 3-4 slider $100, handcuff $200 and two new hubs at $80 each. Total $930 for just the parts. Add another $500 for a diff if you still need one.

93supercoupe

are the guys that are running these faceplated setups using a Gforce shift linkage or speed factory selector?

Tuner Eddy

Or possibly an OEM shift linkage?

SPOOLINmatt

I can use whatever shifter you want.

Stealthmode Performance

I think over time I've meth-mouthed a (stock) differential, a final drive gear, multiple syncros, and bent the shift change. I've had no issues since I went with the gsr gears/ls FD heat treated by RacerSteve, wavetrac lsd, syncrotech carbon syncros and speed factory shift change assembly. It's still a street car, 713/365 best of 10.70@142.

This is the first I've heard of the face plating stuff. I'll have to start paying attention and look into it.

RacerStev

I would stay away from Cyro on a loaded part like a trans gear, it makes the gears more
brittle then stock. And WOW, that's a lot of money! I could do 4 sets for that kind of
money.

The heat treat I do will improve the stock gear set, in some cases it will totally solve
breakage problems. But there is a point were you need to go to a custom gear set.
Seems 800-850hp is about max for my setup. Shot peening after my treatment will
also help as will micro polishing. IMO faceplating is spending way too much money on
a stock gearset, I'd save up and get strong set of gears.

Just don't spend a ton of cash on the stock gears, try my treatment if it doesn't work for
you start saving up for a custom set.

Steve

1lowek2007

I will say that I will stand by RacerStev's Heat treating process. I was breaking stock K series gears at 700hp on a regular basis. I sent him some new gears to be treated and they lasted over 6 months until I sold the car and were still going last I heard.

a1320honda

Im considering the face plated setup. Everything in my GSR tranny gear wise is in excellent shape, but just had a local guy rebuild it to OEM specs and im making 800 crank HP, so its not going great with the 3-4 shift. So i figure if im gonna get into this thing, might as well do the face plating. My only concern is longevity of the setup before it needs maintenance, and streetability. I do still drive my car on the street about 100 miles a week or so. Car also weight about 2600lbs with me in it.

AllShowNoGo727

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^ I'm in the same situation as you, I Have a face plated liberty setup with a speed Factory scha oem linkage and I plan to make 750-800 but I will be also driving it on the street. A local all motor car has face plated gear set and he street drive's it a lot.

SwappedTURBOegg

my buddy just got his 3/4 only faceplated and let me tell you what a blast that thing is to drive on the street. liked it so much im dropping off my 3/4 to put in my spare trans.

AZ_CIVIC

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I have the Liberty Face Plated gear set and it is awesome but of curiosity why would you only do 3/4 and not 1/4?

SwappedTURBOegg

street cars/roll race cars... i would rather slow shift the 1/2 than ever 3/2 shift on the street in a roll race. i only 1/2 shift fast at the drag strip anyways.

NY GsR

why do you say it is a waste of time if you do not run a cuff with this setup?

Turbo-LS

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Stock gsr trans with 4th gear cuff were putting down aroun 800whp. Trans will last 4-6 events before shredding a gear. Solid mounts and shifter mount make a HUGE difference in these transmissions. Never grind a gear or get locked out with 10k rpm WOT shifts

EJ1_Ex

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great info