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I noticed there isnt no threads in this section that has ANYTHING to do with good street tires or good drag radials..

I am in the market for a set up drag radials that will be a street car that sometimes sees the track about twice a month..

I really like the BFGoodrich T/A Drag Radials and the Mickey Thompson ET streets, i dont think the ET streets are a good choice for a street car that may see the track twice a month, what do you think?

Anyone running either of these tires? what do you think about them? tire life? hoooking up? and how much whp are you making?

any good suggestions for street tires instead of radials? .. i will be making at least 450whp more like 500.. what would you recommend for me/ my head is spinning from reading all about tires on google..


im sure im overlooking alot of drag radials.. let us know what your running, how they hook up on the street, an what kinda power your making..
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How many miles a month do you drive? Drag radials don't hold up very long no matter who made them they are to soft of a compound for the streets. But I've always been partial to et streets
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i was getting around 5000 miles out of the bfg radials in the low 400 hp range. they would hook from 3rd gear on.

id like to try some azenis if they make them in a 225/50/15 in conjunction with some boost by gear
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5000 miles arent tooo bad for that kind power.. how did u treat em? .. alot of passes at the track?.. did u do burnouts for the fun of it with your friends? big burn outs at the track? did u do alot of pulls on the street spinning cuz that as well wears the tires... this is my first turbo build so im confused on tires, i might jus fork out the money for BFG's to enjoy the power then go onto street tires
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lol. there are many threads on radials.
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I got 3 years of daily driving out of bfg's and M&H DOT tires. It comes down to driving style and air pressure in the tires on the street.

I have MT radials on the car now and don't have a lot of miles on them(about 5000) but they look brand new. Car makes 400whp or so on pump and almost 600 on race.

As for what to use I found it is most based on tranny, GSR and LS trannies tend to do better on 225/50 tires where as I had more luck with 235/60's with my ITR tranny
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it seemed like the higher speed burnouts tore up our et streets really fast. Like we couldnt get the boost under 500hp for literally 300 miles and they were toast, with maybe 1 actual burn out them. The rubber kinda balled up.
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Originally Posted by CRXherbie91
I noticed there isnt no threads in this section that has ANYTHING to do with good street tires or good drag radials..

I am in the market for a set up drag radials that will be a street car that sometimes sees the track about twice a month..

I really like the BFGoodrich T/A Drag Radials and the Mickey Thompson ET streets, i dont think the ET streets are a good choice for a street car that may see the track twice a month, what do you think?

Anyone running either of these tires? what do you think about them? tire life? hoooking up? and how much whp are you making?

any good suggestions for street tires instead of radials? .. i will be making at least 450whp more like 500.. what would you recommend for me/ my head is spinning from reading all about tires on google..


im sure im overlooking alot of drag radials.. let us know what your running, how they hook up on the street, an what kinda power your making..
There are several threads on h-t dealing with what tires people have the most luck with. From everything that has been mentioned in here to Nitto Neo-Gens.
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Lets start an OFFICIAL STREET CAR thread and post your setups, tires, suspension, ect. And I must be cars that you drive at least once if not a few times a week.
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Lets start an OFFICIAL STREET CAR thread and post your setups, tires, suspension, ect. And I must be cars that you drive at least once if not a few times a week.
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Only 235-60-15s will really do the job. I have had ok luck with MT's in 225 50 15 but once it cools down at nght the car is running better so its just gonna have less traction. Some hot days I would dead hook 400whp in 2nd (could just feel the diffrence in power) at 12psi and cooler days i wouldnt even hook 3rd at the 12psi. IMO the weather makes a HUGE difference on how the car hooks. I bought some shitty 225 50 15 hancooks and they hook just about the same at 12psi.. oh, and they were only $120 not $400 and last twice as long. Plain and simple I just gave up on trying to get the car to hook on the streets.
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Originally Posted by CRXherbie91
5000 miles arent tooo bad for that kind power.. how did u treat em? .. alot of passes at the track?.. did u do burnouts for the fun of it with your friends? big burn outs at the track? did u do alot of pulls on the street spinning cuz that as well wears the tires... this is my first turbo build so im confused on tires, i might jus fork out the money for BFG's to enjoy the power then go onto street tires
no for the most part i drive like a bitch. maybe 10 track passes on each set.

on my set of 205's i had them at about 30% left and had a nice night of whoopin *** on some 500hp vw's. must have been about 6-8 highway runs. when i got home the tires were flat bald and i was peeling rubber off them like gummy worms. i think i was running them somewhere around 18 or so psi
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R888's are pretty decent tires. Hooking 500+ in 3rd, 400whp+ in second if its warm enough. One pull on the highway before a run would get em nice and warm, and they got alot louder. Drove em 600 miles in the rain one way once and they were great. Plenty of dread left after about 3 months of doing pulls every other weekend. My suspension is far from ideal, eibach pro kit on non adjustable shocks. Alot of squatting.

Heard NT01s are equally decent and a bit cheaper.
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R888's are pretty decent tires. Hooking 500+ in 3rd, 400whp+ in second if its warm enough. One pull on the highway before a run would get em nice and warm, and they got alot louder. Drove em 600 miles in the rain one way once and they were great. Plenty of dread left after about 3 months of doing pulls every other weekend. My suspension is far from ideal, eibach pro kit on non adjustable shocks. Alot of squatting.

Heard NT01s are equally decent and a bit cheaper.
Arent the R888s the same price as 225 MT drag radials?

See, "if its warm enough" aka loss of power... thats why its hooking
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Arent the R888s the same price as 225 MT drag radials?

See, "if its warm enough" aka loss of power... thats why its hooking
I think when he meant was if the ground was warm enough. Typically where we live, its really warm in the day and it cools off to a decent temperature by night but the pavement is still warm.

The R888's seem to be doing really well for some of the local guys. I have heard that the Toyo RA-1's are equally as good and have slightly more tread depth.
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Aren't the R888s the same price as 225 MT drag radials?

See, "if its warm enough" aka loss of power... thats why its hooking
Uh no. Race tires need heat in them to work properly. In fact R888 like 160°F to 220° to work at there optimum. Cruising on the highway is not going to get them to that temperature. But doing a quick 2nd-3rd pull will put some heat in them.

There as a very clear audible and physical difference when the tires are warmed up.
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Uh no. Race tires need heat in them to work properly. In fact R888 like 160°F to 220° to work at there optimum. Cruising on the highway is not going to get them to that temperature. But doing a quick 2nd-3rd pull will put some heat in them.

There as a very clear audible and physical difference when the tires are warmed up.
Just because the tires like the hot roads doesnt mean your engine does. Temperature plays a huge part on how much power is actually being sent to the wheels. I don't care if your only making 350whp on a cold night with the tires 100% warm after a john force burnout your still NOT hooking. Try that on a hot as fawk day and it will
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Because we need ANOTHER one of these threads.


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I run a 235/60/15 MT tires on the street alot, I have had them for over a year or so and they do the job. They will still spin in 3rd gear on the street with around 550+ with around 15 psi in the tires. I really enjoy them on pump gas 450 hp and dont really have any traction issues. Running LSD and Boost by gear really helps them hook on the street.
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Just because the tires like the hot roads doesnt mean your engine does. Temperature plays a huge part on how much power is actually being sent to the wheels. I don't care if your only making 350whp on a cold night with the tires 100% warm after a john force burnout your still NOT hooking. Try that on a hot as fawk day and it will
WTF? So I guess everyone doing burnouts at the track should stop because its really there car getting heat soaked and loses all its power so it hooks! What a revelation!

Not to mention Im crusing on a highway most of the time so there is CONSTANT air flow through the intercooler. Its not an eaton cobra being overspun to **** getting heatsoaked after one pull

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WTF? So I guess everyone doing burnouts at the track should stop because its really there car getting heat soaked and loses all its power so it hooks! What a revelation!

Not to mention Im crusing on a highway most of the time so there is CONSTANT air flow through the intercooler. Its not an eaton cobra being overspun to **** getting heatsoaked after one pull
Who said anything about the track? You can NOT even compare how a drag radial will hook at the track compared to the STREET. The track is prepped and GLUED for this reason.

I must of had 4 sets of shitty MT drag radials then and got phucked over since my car must never of been corner balanced, had hasport written on my engine mounts along with an ebay traction bar and open diff. Hmm... my car hooks great on hot days with the tires, same air pressure "warmed up". On cold nights (below 65 degrees) all at the same power, same burnout style and cant hook no matter how warm my tire is. Can you diagnose my "hooking" problem?
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Who said anything about the track? You can NOT even compare how a drag radial will hook at the track compared to the STREET. The track is prepped and GLUED for this reason.

I must of had 4 sets of shitty MT drag radials then and got phucked over since my car must never of been corner balanced, had hasport written on my engine mounts along with an ebay traction bar and open diff. Hmm... my car hooks great on hot days with the tires, same air pressure "warmed up". On cold nights (below 65 degrees) all at the same power, same burnout style and cant hook no matter how warm my tire is. Can you diagnose my "hooking" problem?
No I cant, since I've never used those tires. But take your car around a track on a tire like the R888 and tell me after a couple laps the tires dont feel grippier.
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Lol alright guys lets get this back on track for the OP.

Its basically going to boil down to a few options based on how particular you are on how the car looks and what its function is. If the car is going to be on the street and occasionally at the track and you insist on running a radial tire, I would go with the R888's or similar.

-BFG Drag Radials do not hook even in a 225-50-15. I used them and was spinning 400whp at the track.

-Mickey Thompson 225-50-15 ET Street radials are OK at best. They will work more than likely but will wear quickly with moderate street driving.

-Toyo R888's in a 225-50-15 seem to be working well for my local buddies. They are a stiff wall autocross inspired tire with a super sticky compound. LightningTeg is running them and is putting quite a bit of power down (as mentioned above). Another one of my friends (GabeK20T) is running the 225-45-16 (I believe) on is 667whp K-series civic and swears by this tire as well.

If you don't mind raising the car up and running a Bias Ply tire that will be awesome on the street and better than any radial tire at the track, I would go with the M&H 235-60-15 Street/Strip tire. Being a Bias Ply tire, its going to be much more forgiving on your drive-line and will not wheel hop like Radial tires. I drove around with these tires on 10-15lbs on the street and when I went to the track it was on 6-7lbs. They will wrinkle when you lower the tire pressure since they are not a radial tire. Even at 10lbs, they were not sloppy like people will try and tell you. I could hook all 738whp in 4th gear on the streets. I didnt really play around with my boost by gear on the street just because I dont have much interest left in street racing.

Here is a pic of these tires on my car. This is with 6lbs in the tires:

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No I cant, since I've never used those tires. But take your car around a track on a tire like the R888 and tell me after a couple laps the tires dont feel grippier.

I won't be able to tell you because that style of racing is not my cup of tea or how I decided to have my car built.
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Lol alright guys lets get this back on track for the OP.

Its basically going to boil down to a few options based on how particular you are on how the car looks and what its function is. If the car is going to be on the street and occasionally at the track and you insist on running a radial tire, I would go with the R888's or similar.

-BFG Drag Radials do not hook even in a 225-50-15. I used them and was spinning 400whp at the track.

-Mickey Thompson 225-50-15 ET Street radials are OK at best. They will work more than likely but will wear quickly with moderate street driving.

-Toyo R888's in a 225-50-15 seem to be working well for my local buddies. They are a stiff wall autocross inspired tire with a super sticky compound. LightningTeg is running them and is putting quite a bit of power down (as mentioned above). Another one of my friends (GabeK20T) is running the 225-45-16 (I believe) on is 667whp K-series civic and swears by this tire as well.

If you don't mind raising the car up and running a Bias Ply tire that will be awesome on the street and better than any radial tire at the track, I would go with the M&H 235-60-15 Street/Strip tire. Being a Bias Ply tire, its going to be much more forgiving on your drive-line and will not wheel hop like Radial tires. I drove around with these tires on 10-15lbs on the street and when I went to the track it was on 6-7lbs. They will wrinkle when you lower the tire pressure since they are not a radial tire. Even at 10lbs, they were not sloppy like people will try and tell you. I could hook all 738whp in 4th gear on the streets. I didnt really play around with my boost by gear on the street just because I dont have much interest left in street racing.

Here is a pic of these tires on my car. This is with 6lbs in the tires:

Well said. P.S your car is sick as hell.

The 235/60/15 is by far the best option for a hooking street tire.

I will have to say drag radials are pretty much pointless because they just wear so quickly and its just not worth the $400 IMO. Once the tires have about 50% tread left they dont hook for ****. If your going to run the car at the drag strip just buy a set of slicks that will benefit your setup/whp the best.
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Well said. P.S your car is sick as hell.

The 235/60/15 is by far the best option for a hooking street tire.

I will have to say drag radials are pretty much pointless because they just wear so quickly and its just not worth the $400 IMO. Once the tires have about 50% tread left they dont hook for ****. If your going to run the car at the drag strip just buy a set of slicks that will benefit your setup/whp the best.
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