quicksilver1689

I looked in the faq and didnt really get much info. I want to purchase a hornet 554t alarm with the pager. The car is a 5spd but i dont want remote start because i dont care, the alarm says for automatric transmission's only, if i want to disable the remote start can i still use this alarm? Dont want to purchase the alarm and find out its not compatable, i think that they are just covering there ***'s by saying for auto trans vehicles only because of the remote start feature. What do you guys think? Thanks

performancespec

Im not 100% familiar with that alarm, but its a DEI so ill give it a shot.

You should have a large relay pack or similar to the item all the way to the right. Dont hook that up. You can continue installing it but might need an additional relay if you choose to make a starter kill.


Now the for autos only, it could be a safety disclaimer. Ive seen people remote start their cars into other people because they are stupid.
Contact me via PM and ill walk you through it
kris

bpr0422

the remote start unit is not to be installed on manual transmission cars..

but if you need a turbo timer, the remote start unit must be used, with the remote start feature disabled.

if you don't need a turbo timer, dei should have a unit that will fit your exact needs...

a viper 1000 or a clifford matrix 12 should be all that you need.

performancespec

well if you want to get all legitimate no it is not supposed to be, but it can be
I had a viper 771xv two way remote start on my 97 coupe with manual tranny. If it wasnt for the lady who rear ended me, id still have it on there.
Although, its the owners resp to not hit any kids or other vehicles when remote starting their cars.
kris

fcm

If you do not want/need remote start, why not just get an alarm only unit, why pay for something you do not need. 94

suspendedHatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by quicksilver1689 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I looked in the faq and didnt really get much info.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ouch. I'm going to go sit in a corner and cry for a little bit.

performancespec

I checked out your thread in the sig suspendedhatch. Good stuff. Id assume you worked at best buy and circuit?? I just received my advanced MECP myself.

bcrosby51

You will want to hook up that relay pack as that has the starter kill in it. Just hook everything up like you are supposed to, even the remote start. Your car will not start via remote unless you by-pass your clutch switch. It is still nice to have the remote start on because say you go to the gas station and it is zero degrees out you can to a remote take over and leave the car running without leaving your keys in the car. Pretty slick.

performancespec

You can use a separate relay instead of the whole relay pack. No need to use the relay pack if you are not going to use remote start.

fcm

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bcrosby51 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You will want to hook up that relay pack as that has the starter kill in it. Just hook everything up like you are supposed to, even the remote start. Your car will not start via remote unless you by-pass your clutch switch. It is still nice to have the remote start on because say you go to the gas station and it is zero degrees out you can to a remote take over and leave the car running without leaving your keys in the car. Pretty slick. </TD></TR></TABLE> You do not need the relay pack for starter cut, or if you want slick, you do not need the remote starters starter output lead to have "stop and go" "valet take over" by any other name, keep motor running without key mode. 94

bcrosby51

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> You do not need the relay pack for starter cut, or if you want slick, you do not need the remote starters starter output lead to have "stop and go" "valet take over" by any other name, keep motor running without key mode. 94</TD></TR></TABLE>

Right, you don't "have" to use the relay pack, but it is already all wired up so why not. If not, you would have to use the orange wire and a seperate really and wire it up, which not everyone knows how to do. And yes, I am fully aware that you don't need the starter out put to do the take over as the car is already running. I have only been installing DEI alarms for over 10 years and am MECP certified.

fcm

MECP, and 10 year, no kidding??

Then why would you suggest to the OP to Just hook everything up like you are supposed to, even the remote start., he plainly said he didn't want remote start, and kind of a hell of a lot of ****, [relay pack, ribbon lead, other heavy gauge leads for the ign.] just to get starter disable, when he would be way better off installing a single relay on the fuel pump line, starter disable on a standard is kind of pointless, or was that not part of your MECP test? 94

BTW my post was directed at the OP not you, I only quoted you so the OP knew what I was referring to.

bcrosby51

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fcm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MECP, and 10 year, no kidding??

Then why would you suggest to the OP to Just hook everything up like you are supposed to, even the remote start., he plainly said he didn't want remote start, and kind of a hell of a lot of ****, [relay pack, ribbon lead, other heavy gauge leads for the ign.] just to get starter disable, when he would be way better off installing a single relay on the fuel pump line, starter disable on a standard is kind of pointless, or was that not part of your MECP test? 94

BTW my post was directed at the OP not you, I only quoted you so the OP knew what I was referring to. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You actually need the relay pack for the ignition lead as there is not a ingition input on the main wire harness. Without hooking that up you cannot program via the valet button, as you have to open the door and turn the ignition on to enter the program menu, or have the ignition controlled door lock, if he wanted that feature. I am just saying that the relay pack is only a couple of extra wires and you might as well hook it up, if nothing else than for the valet take over, that is priceless up here in Iowa where I am at.

boynblue

http://www.drdetailshop.com/745t.htm
Just get this one. Same thing but no remote start. Maybe even shop around more for a better price. I just looked at hornet alarms and found what you wanted but with no remote start. good luck!

suspendedHatch

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bcrosby51 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You actually need the relay pack for the ignition lead as there is not a ingition input on the main wire harness.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Everyone here is familiar with that as we have discussed the topic frequently and recently. One single small gauge ignition wire is no problem compared to eight 10 gauge wires. Adding a start kill relay to the orange wire is again, much less hassle than eight 10 gauge wires.

I'm not belittling your experience or your certification, but it pales in comparison to the experience of the person you're trying to impress (fcm). I have an advanced MECP that I just got recently and IMO, it barely glosses over security (even though there's a whole chapter on alarms, it doesn't have much practical application).

fcm

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bcrosby51 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You actually need the relay pack for the ignition </TD></TR></TABLE> No you do not, all you need is the yellow lead in the ribbon lead. 94

performancespec

Oh man, you can say that again. BASIC was a joke. Advanced wasnt hard at all. Im waiting for my Masters MECP. Im sure this one will actually challenge me. Advanced seemed like it was a box building test.<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suspendedHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Everyone here is familiar with that as we have discussed the topic frequently and recently. One single small gauge ignition wire is no problem compared to eight 10 gauge wires. Adding a start kill relay to the orange wire is again, much less hassle than eight 10 gauge wires.

I'm not belittling your experience or your certification, but it pales in comparison to the experience of the person you're trying to impress (fcm). I have an advanced MECP that I just got recently and IMO, it barely glosses over security (even though there's a whole chapter on alarms, it doesn't have much practical application).</TD></TR></TABLE>

bcrosby51

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suspendedHatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

but it pales in comparison to the experience of the person you're trying to impress (fcm). </TD></TR></TABLE>

And just who am I trying to impress? You know, I don't know what Quicksilver's experience is installing alarms. I was just trying to give him the most basic and easy answer. There are plenty ways around the relay pack and obviously we both know them, but how do we know that Quicksilver does?

suspendedHatch

That guy at the end of my sentence that you quoted. fcm

No reason to get hot. Fcm is saying to just use the yellow lead on the ribbon harness; then use the orange output for the fuel kill. You're saying to use the relay pack that has eight 10 gauge wires. The argument isn't whether either method is technically correct, because we all agree that they both are. The argument is which method is easier to execute and easier to understand.

Everyone's made their point so the argument is over.

A bunch of highly experienced installers in the same forum might result in a lot of head butting, but it's also pretty awesome if you're the one trying to get some help.