Header Test Repost (RMF,SMSP,Hytech,ANR, DTR, DC)
02-28-2006, 07:41 AM
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Re: Header Test Repost (VtecKiDD)
how much are these RMF's? I want a new header for my R and was thinking about SMSP but if RMF makes more power and torque under moderate tuning... of course I don't know alot about tuning so someone can voice their opinion
03-01-2006, 02:08 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostd ls »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just wondering i am getting ready to buy a header and is there a difference in power between the rmf narrow and the rmf street header also is there a difference in cost????</TD></TR></TABLE>
03-01-2006, 07:45 AM
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so was this test performed in a type-r or was just a jdm type-r motor used in another chassis. r there any other mods done to this vehicle or is this simply a stock motor in a stock car with a header???? nice test by the way good data for those interested in new components
03-01-2006, 09:52 PM
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Re: Header Test Repost (JERKRencH)
( Bump Hook-Ups style. LOL)>>>> WE ARE TAKING THE KIDS TO THE VANS SKATE PARK AT ONTARIO MILLS>>>>> SEE YOU THERE. DID YOU SEE HOW MUCH POWER THAT STOCK B16A MADE WITH THAT ( your choice)HEADER. IT IS BY FAR HANDS DOWN THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK> WOW 47 HP NO TUNE.
AND ALL IN THE MID.
totally joking on ya CW LMAO
AND ALL IN THE MID.
totally joking on ya CW LMAO
03-01-2006, 10:24 PM
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Re: Header Test Repost (totsie7944)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by totsie7944 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> RMF makes more power and torque under moderate tuning</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, in this "test" the RMF did wedge the SMS out, but there have also been comparisons where the SMS has made more power. Personally I think it all comes down to what you prefer as far as looks and your relationship with the builder. Both manifolds make a ton of power, and both are very knowledgable at what they do.....just comes down to how you want your engine bay to look
Yes, in this "test" the RMF did wedge the SMS out, but there have also been comparisons where the SMS has made more power. Personally I think it all comes down to what you prefer as far as looks and your relationship with the builder. Both manifolds make a ton of power, and both are very knowledgable at what they do.....just comes down to how you want your engine bay to look
03-02-2006, 10:26 AM
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Re: Header Test Repost (clean rice)
yea thats true, I didn't see that the engine was all stock... My engine is heavily modified and I have a feeling with the SMSP header I prolly would make as much if not more with it over the RMF.
03-02-2006, 12:43 PM
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Re: Header Test Repost (totsie7944)
the RMF and SMSP did very well on my 2.0l motor an aanother 2.0l motor at DONFs shop.
SMSP has the graphs, where his header an RMF were tested against Hytech/RAGE header.
but it all depends on your setup, if one header was ALWAYS superior ro another, then there would only be one header company, not the many choices we have available today
Modified by VtecKiDD at 6:10 PM 3/2/2006
SMSP has the graphs, where his header an RMF were tested against Hytech/RAGE header.
but it all depends on your setup, if one header was ALWAYS superior ro another, then there would only be one header company, not the many choices we have available today
Modified by VtecKiDD at 6:10 PM 3/2/2006
03-02-2006, 12:46 PM
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Re: Header Test Repost (VtecKiDD)
sms the same as smsp? where can i find/buy these headers at cuz i searched smsp header and it jus comes up a bunch of reviews
where can i buy a rmf header at?
where can i buy a rmf header at?
03-02-2006, 01:01 PM
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Re: Header Test Repost (teggsr925)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by teggsr925 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">sms the same as smsp? where can i find/buy these headers at cuz i searched smsp header and it jus comes up a bunch of reviews
where can i buy a rmf header at?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i too want to know how much is the RMF header for Bseries.
where can i buy a rmf header at?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i too want to know how much is the RMF header for Bseries.
03-02-2006, 01:09 PM
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Re: Header Test Repost (teggsr925)
CONTACT USERNAME:
SMSP
SMSP HEADERS / SMS-Products.com
RMF
RMF HEADERS/ IMPORTPOWERHOUSE.COM
HYTECH
HYTECH HEADERS/ HYTECH EXHAUST
SMSP
SMSP HEADERS / SMS-Products.com
RMF
RMF HEADERS/ IMPORTPOWERHOUSE.COM
HYTECH
HYTECH HEADERS/ HYTECH EXHAUST
03-02-2006, 02:31 PM
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Re: Header Test Repost (VtecKiDD)
was a/f ratio retuned with all headers or just bolt on and tune ?
thought I saw somewhere that one of the headers that lost also happened to be lean (14's) on the top end compared to the one that won (mid 13's).
so is overall assessment that one header is better than another or only for this motor ?
thought I saw somewhere that one of the headers that lost also happened to be lean (14's) on the top end compared to the one that won (mid 13's).
so is overall assessment that one header is better than another or only for this motor ?
03-02-2006, 08:18 PM
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i can wait to install my RAGE (hytech type) on my ls build... I bought it b/c of availavility! and fast shippent! nice price also... http://www.rageimports.com call them and talk to jason he's a great guy... SMSP is also a great guy w/ great header they're more custom types ones so if you got money call him also!
03-02-2006, 08:36 PM
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Re: Header Test Repost (VtecKiDD)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VtecKiDD »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the RMF and SMSP did very well on my 2.0l motor an aanother 2.0l motor at DONFs shop.
SMSP has the graphs, where his header an RMF were tested against Hytech/RAGE header.
but it all depends on your setup, if one header was ALWAYS superior ro another, then there would only be one header company, not the many choices we have available today
Modified by VtecKiDD at 6:10 PM 3/2/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>Also that was not the header I would have used.The header that SMS used of mine was for a 1.8 or smaller.Thats like me having a header comparison using one of his headers that was for A h22 in a B series shoot out.
SMSP has the graphs, where his header an RMF were tested against Hytech/RAGE header.
but it all depends on your setup, if one header was ALWAYS superior ro another, then there would only be one header company, not the many choices we have available today
Modified by VtecKiDD at 6:10 PM 3/2/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>Also that was not the header I would have used.The header that SMS used of mine was for a 1.8 or smaller.Thats like me having a header comparison using one of his headers that was for A h22 in a B series shoot out.
03-03-2006, 02:31 AM
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Re: Header Test Repost (RMF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RMF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also that was not the header I would have used.The header that SMS used of mine was for a 1.8 or smaller.Thats like me having a header comparison using one of his headers that was for A h22 in a B series shoot out.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The test that VtecKidd is referring to wasn't done by me, it was done at DFE by DonF in Florida, I was in Virginia at the time of the test but yes I posted the results in this thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1267136.
The RMF header used from the SRZ test that was done in April of 2005 was the exact same header used for the DFE test that was done in June of 2005.
RMF and SMSP had some discussions in May of 2005 (between the 2 header test dates) on header design in https://honda-tech.com/zeropost...40022 where RMF stated on page 2 the following,
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RMF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know and I know .When you build a set of headers .You go by the size of the valve and exhaust port,The RPM range that you want the most power at.And where it fits the best.Do you ask people if they have ITBs or a plenum style manifold when you build them headers.It doesn't matter.The head still flows the same.Unless they have some ridiculously small combo.that defeats the purpose
of a good flowing head.Its like the difference between a 1.8 and a 2.0 with the same head. It would take the same header.Maybe you can explain what would be different between the two headers?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Based on the above statement and discussions between RMF/Vteckidd and DonF the decision was made to use the RMF header on the B20 for the DFE test. So in May of 2005 it seemed that you didn't think the header design needed to be different between a 1.8 and a 2.0, but now you do. So noted.
The test that VtecKidd is referring to wasn't done by me, it was done at DFE by DonF in Florida, I was in Virginia at the time of the test but yes I posted the results in this thread https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1267136.
The RMF header used from the SRZ test that was done in April of 2005 was the exact same header used for the DFE test that was done in June of 2005.
RMF and SMSP had some discussions in May of 2005 (between the 2 header test dates) on header design in https://honda-tech.com/zeropost...40022 where RMF stated on page 2 the following,
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RMF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You know and I know .When you build a set of headers .You go by the size of the valve and exhaust port,The RPM range that you want the most power at.And where it fits the best.Do you ask people if they have ITBs or a plenum style manifold when you build them headers.It doesn't matter.The head still flows the same.Unless they have some ridiculously small combo.that defeats the purpose
of a good flowing head.Its like the difference between a 1.8 and a 2.0 with the same head. It would take the same header.Maybe you can explain what would be different between the two headers?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Based on the above statement and discussions between RMF/Vteckidd and DonF the decision was made to use the RMF header on the B20 for the DFE test. So in May of 2005 it seemed that you didn't think the header design needed to be different between a 1.8 and a 2.0, but now you do. So noted.
