King Tut33

I was hoping I could get some advice on my setup and possible problems. Both setups were tuned on Dynojets. First was tuned with Dynojet wideband in tailpipe. Second was tuned with FJO wideband in O2 bung on laptop.

Here was my original setup and numbers:

Fuel Pressure: 37 psi
Timing: 17 degrees
VTEC: 5000 RPM
VAFC Lvt:

1000 RPM: -2
1500 RPM: -3
2000 RPM: -2
2500 RPM: -2
3000 RPM: -5
3500 RPM: -5
4000 RPM: +2

VAFC Hvt:

5000 RPM: 0
5500 RPM: +7
6000 RPM: +3
6500 RPM: +1
7000 RPM: 0
7500 RPM: -5
8000 RPM: -10
8500 RPM: -15



1999 Honda Civic Si B16a2 Head
1995 Acura Integra LS B18b1 Block
OEM Honda PR3 B16a .25mm Overbore Pistons (11.3:1 compression)
OEM B16a Valve Train
P28 Chipped ECU with Skunk2 Program
A'PEXi Digital VTEC Air Fuel Controller (V-AFC)
DC Sports Integra Type R JDM 4-1 Header (2.5" Collector)
OEM B16a Throttle Body
OEM B16a Intake Manifold
AEM 3" CAI
A'PEXi Dunk Cat-Back Exhaust
2.5" Custom Test Pipe / Flex Pipe
RC Engineering 310cc Fuel Injectors
B&M CommandFlo Fuel Pressure Modifier (Silver)

Current setup and numbers:

Fuel Pressure: 37 psi
Timing: 16 degrees
VTEC: 5500 RPM
VAFC Hvt:

5000 RPM: +10
5500 RPM: +10
6000 RPM: +8
6500 RPM: 0
7000 RPM: -3
7500 RPM: -8
8000 RPM: -8
8500 RPM: -8



1999 Honda Civic Si B16a2 Head
1995 Acura Integra LS B18b1 Block
OEM Honda PR3 B16a .25mm Overbore Pistons (11.3:1 compression)
Skunk2 Stage II Racing VTEC Camshafts
Skunk2 Racing Valve Springs
Skunk2 Titanium Retainers
Skunk2 Adjustable Cam Gears
P28 Chipped ECU with Skunk2 Program
A'PEXi Digital VTEC Air Fuel Controller (V-AFC)
DC Sports Integra Type R JDM 4-1 Header (2.5" Collector)
Spoon 70mm Throttle Body
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
J's Racing EG Carbon Fiber Intake
A'PEXi N1 Cat-Back Exhaust
2.5" Custom Test Pipe / Flex Pipe
RC Engineering 310cc Fuel Injectors
B&M CommandFlo Fuel Pressure Modifier (Silver)

Videos: (Right Click please)

http://www.civichatch.com/regi...1.avi
http://www.civichatch.com/regi...2.avi


Modified by King Tut33 at 11:23 PM 3/15/2004

EKhatch

So you gained 3hp ad lost 3tq going from stock cams to SS2"s?

I must have missed something in your post.

King Tut33

That is about the jist of it. Needless to say I am not that happy right now.

12 oz.

numbers after are low. a buddy of mine almost has the same setup but with ctr pistons and is making well over 198 semi tuned. either whoever is tuning dosent know what hes doing or the motor is unhealthy (compression & leakdown test?). how much fuel pressure are you running? why do some of you guys run stock fpr's when running big cams and pistons? how are the vafc settings?


Modified by 12 oz. at 6:54 AM 3/16/2004

G2AT8K

Who is tuning your car ? What is your A/F ratio ?
Are you sure you have Stage 2 cams in there ?

I know your compression ratio (11.3:1) is a little bit low for running stage 2 But still you should be more than 3 whp.

You should be making more power with those cams and the other mods you added .


Modified by G2AT8K at 2:06 AM 3/16/2004

King Tut33

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 12 oz. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">numbers after are low. a buddy of mine almost has the same setup but with ctr pistons and is making well over 198 semi tuned. either whoever is tuning dosent know what hes doing or the motor is unhealthy (compression & leakdown test?). how much fuel pressure are you running? how are the vafc settings?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did compression couple weeks back and got 240 across the board. I am not sure if he changed the FPR, but I was at 37 psi. As for the VAFC settings I know he started off adding fuel and then hit a point and started taking it out. They are a "Hondata approved" shop, so they might know Hondata but not sure about VAFC tuning. Updated with VAFC settings.


Modified by King Tut33 at 8:00 PM 3/15/2004

alloutmotor

something is wrong, if compression, leakdown ect is good, and you are getting ample fuel, i dont see why your only gaining 3hp, did they pull any timing, i dont kno possibly tuning...

and why is their a dip in power and torque right b4 6000rpms......


corrected


Modified by alloutmotor at 7:05 AM 3/16/2004

satan_srv

when your secondaries open at 5800 there is too much air. You need to open your secondaries much later, you need an rpm switch to run that.

or

your a/f goes hella lean when the secondaries open and kills your power, you need to add a lot of fuelin that area.

where's the a/f readout for the second graph? and your original tune was pretty rich too...

stevel

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when your secondaries open at 5800 there is too much air. You need to open your secondaries much later, you need an rpm switch to run that.

or

your a/f goes hella lean when the secondaries open and kills your power, you need to add a lot of fuelin that area.

where's the a/f readout for the second graph? and your original tune was pretty rich too...</TD></TR></TABLE>

secondaries? what? he's got a b16 head and skunk2 IM. what secondaries?

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G2AT8K

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when your secondaries open at 5800 there is too much air. You need to open your secondaries much later, you need an rpm switch to run that.

or

your a/f goes hella lean when the secondaries open and kills your power, you need to add a lot of fuelin that area.

where's the a/f readout for the second graph? and your original tune was pretty rich too...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dude you need to stop smoking that **** j/j

stevel beat me to it

King Tut33

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when your secondaries open at 5800 there is too much air. You need to open your secondaries much later, you need an rpm switch to run that.

where's the a/f readout for the second graph? and your original tune was pretty rich too...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You guys need to read. There are no secondaries. The second time the A/F was done on a laptop, so no print out.

Soda Popinski

Bro check the cams, maybe they arent skunk 2 stg 2s. Ya never know.

King Tut33

I put them in myself man. HO8IN and H08EX. They are Skunk2 Stage II cams or I was scammed by an H-T member I bought them from.

eg6h8k

hmm i think ur fuel pressure is way to low..w. all that air u need more fuel i say 50 psi or higher, check ur plugs..and dont tune the vafc yet..set it at 0 for everything and do a base run...something is deff. wrong..my set-up is not even close to ures and i'm making just a little less power..heres my dyno sheet..

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=782960

-check timing
-comp test again
-check ur cam gears(some ppl actually mistake advance and retard)
-also i think u should try ur vtec @ 5200-5300 rpm..looks like thats when ur low cam stop making power..

and let us know..gl

B00ST2nR

Damn... maybe its the tuning? Cuz those numbers seem low. Too low, esepecially with all the mods you had.

You should try what everyone mentioned already. Good luck.

King Tut33

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by eg6h8k &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-check timing
-comp test again
-check ur cam gears(some ppl actually mistake advance and retard)
-also i think u should try ur vtec @ 5200-5300 rpm..looks like thats when ur low cam stop making power..

and let us know..gl</TD></TR></TABLE>

He tried different cam gear settings multiple times. I am sure those are fine. I know the timing is good too, he messed with that as well. I will be doing a comp test this week to make sure it is okay.

satan_srv

I can't READ lol I though tit was a GS-R.

Well then my second point still stands...he's running lean there I would think.

FerioVtec94

were both setups dynoed at Secret services?

Rocket

What gap are you running your spark plugs at? The dyno graphs' look hashy.

More aggressive cams require smaller plug gaps from what I've seen. I like 0.035 to 0.038. Stock Honda for for BVTEC is like 0.044.

King Tut33

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FerioVtec94 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">were both setups dynoed at Secret services?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nope, just the first time. I think I might go back to SS. As for the plugs I am running ITR NGK laser platinums now at .044 where as before I was running GSR NGK laser platinums at .056 I believe. So I did make the gap smaller with the new cams as suggested by H-T.

Rocket

Throw some ordinary Autolite 3294's in your motor gapped at 0.038 and see how your motor feels.

It's hard for the dyno to pick up the rpm signal when the motor has platnium plugs.

RacerZook

iTrader: (1)

Two different dynos, two different days, two different tuners(I assume). You really can't compare the numbers between those two graphs. The main concren would be that dip between 5 and 6.

King Tut33

New videos added. I am thinking part of the power problem might be seen in the second video. I don't remember my car smoking that much when tuning it before the cams.

Used2beAb16

How does the car feel? Does it feel any faster that before the cams? Maybe your rings are bad, also check your valves.

You could do a compression test, then put some marvel mystery oil in your plug wells and do another test. If the #'s go up significantly your rings arent sealing like they used to.

eg6h8k

damn..thats alot of smoke..i'm thinking its the rings..well something is deff. wrong...only testing will pin point whats wrong though..no healthy motor should smoke like that..