DD/Drag B20V build
12-19-2014, 12:25 PM
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What's up Derek? Sorry for the late reply, I don't lurk on these pages as much as I used to haha. Seems your rep and Camshaft business is finally getting the credit it deserves, I knew it was just a matter of time before the naysayers faded and the quality of your company, product and service shined thru!
OP: sounds like you have a good solid build going for the street! I always seem to like to take a more radical approach to my builds lol, but I like your sensible approach in keeping this motor reliable and street able, this is how I ended going on my K series and left it OEM. I think any of the DD-Tech profiles Derek recommends will work, so listen to him ultimately as he can give you the best advice since it's his engineered product we're talking about! Also as you know you can always make the cams seem larger by changing the Intake manifold and header combos, both these things can change peak power and where peak power is delivered (rpm wise) but you know this!! What is a rough power goal? A dyno is a dyno I know, but a 12.4-12.5 on slicks would be pretty fun, and quick on the street. Also, yes Neptune is a little better than Crome lol, so if you have tuner support for it in your area id do that, I was just mentioning how Crome can get the job done too. Neptune has more features and adjustability tho. Have you thought about doing the skunk2 ultra manifold? I'm seeing some good things with this mani on a few cars in my neck of the woods. Anyways, GL man! And please, follow up with some track testing!!
OP: sounds like you have a good solid build going for the street! I always seem to like to take a more radical approach to my builds lol, but I like your sensible approach in keeping this motor reliable and street able, this is how I ended going on my K series and left it OEM. I think any of the DD-Tech profiles Derek recommends will work, so listen to him ultimately as he can give you the best advice since it's his engineered product we're talking about! Also as you know you can always make the cams seem larger by changing the Intake manifold and header combos, both these things can change peak power and where peak power is delivered (rpm wise) but you know this!! What is a rough power goal? A dyno is a dyno I know, but a 12.4-12.5 on slicks would be pretty fun, and quick on the street. Also, yes Neptune is a little better than Crome lol, so if you have tuner support for it in your area id do that, I was just mentioning how Crome can get the job done too. Neptune has more features and adjustability tho. Have you thought about doing the skunk2 ultra manifold? I'm seeing some good things with this mani on a few cars in my neck of the woods. Anyways, GL man! And please, follow up with some track testing!!
I did look at the ultra street, but on the bigger motors its just didn't impress me. It seems to peak out too soon and I felt w/ the cams I am looking at I may leave some power on the table. I have no problem revving the motor out to 9k to make power, IMO that will get faster times in the 1/4 anyways.
12-19-2014, 12:57 PM
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well if you knocked your compression down a point maybe 1.5 less you could always get away with a descent low boost centrifugal SC mounted where your PS would go in the future... Thats A plan I was considering on my old car with a B16A, ITR rep head with forged 10.5:1 pistons and H beam rods, could rev to 9000+ all day....but then it got totaled from getting rear ended by a mercedes that didnt break and the block cracked from a tow hitch on the truck in front of me.
12-19-2014, 01:44 PM
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If I do any kind of FI w/ this motor it will be NO2. I'm not a fan of S/C. If I want boost I'll build something for a snail down the road.
12-19-2014, 02:37 PM
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Yeah I cant blame you there The money on a SC for the returns isnt quite worth it yet...once you can actually get one mounted with all the piping for less the $1500 then its worth a look IMO.
So you decide yet if your going to Go N2O you gonna go dry or wet? I'll probably be going Wet in the future when I decide to upgrade from ITR Imf and Cams to something more agressive like Pro2's or something from DD and a higher flow IMF.
So you decide yet if your going to Go N2O you gonna go dry or wet? I'll probably be going Wet in the future when I decide to upgrade from ITR Imf and Cams to something more agressive like Pro2's or something from DD and a higher flow IMF.
12-19-2014, 02:56 PM
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I'm not sure what system I would run yet. I haven't put much thought or research into it. Probably dry for simplicity/cost. From what I know a 75-100 dry shot is pretty simple and works well.
12-19-2014, 03:12 PM
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Yeah Dry shot is a fairly easy install but you do need to remove the IMF to tap the holes and suck out the metal bits unless your IMF is already tapped and just plugged for the time being. Issues with Dry is that tuning for it is not as easy and the results are not as predictable with Dry shot and usually a bit Higher than what you achieve with Wet...I think if memory serves correct. Wet Shot on the other hand Is alot more predictable when tuning and usually delivers very respectable results with alot less hastle than Dry(IE: no IMF removal..Just Fuel Rail) which IMO if your going with that Nice aftermarket Fuel Rail it should already be ported to accept or at least N2O compatible hookup.
12-20-2014, 05:04 AM
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I have always run Zex dry kits, never had any issues with anything. You can hook it up in 15 minutes and it's super fun. I actually had to remove it from my street car as I was burning a bottle a week going back and forth to work....lol.
12-20-2014, 02:09 PM
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Haha nice thats probably gonna be me in a few months lol, The biggest thing I've seen is you just have to make sure you Have the right Piston rings to deal with the N2O cause they will build up alot more heat wear when spraying.
12-22-2014, 07:25 AM
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Let me know when they are ready boss. I'll make it worth your while. The rails are what you have right? I have the caps, just need the top "girdle rails" as most people call them.
12-22-2014, 01:53 PM
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I've run 80-90 shots on stock d series, clutch doesn't last.....lol. Ran 100 shot all day on GSR, never an issue. Took a Yonaka headgasket out on a 125 shot but after the 6th or 7th hot lap on the nitrous....lol.
12-22-2014, 02:02 PM
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That's nice to hear haha. The nitrous won't come for some time. I'll want to get the car dialed in an get comfortable with it first. I have never used nitrous so it will be a definite learning experience should I pursue it.
12-23-2014, 03:02 PM
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yep cam rails , girdle rails , those 2 things on top of the camcap
i too am not sure how some call it hahaha i think it is cam rails?
i too am not sure how some call it hahaha i think it is cam rails?
12-23-2014, 03:05 PM
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12-23-2014, 10:46 PM
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Quick update. Just received word today that I am about 95% for sure going to be re-locating to the Denver area for work in march. I'm hoping I can push this thing through in the next couple months and get it finished up before I make the move. I don't want to move a project half done, and I don't know what resources I will have at my disposal once I get there. January and February are shaping up to look expensive LOL. I also am trying to see if I can have the chance to dyno here in WA, then once I move see how much elevation effects the performance of the car. Sad thing is it wont be track number 
On a side note- this car will no longer be a DD so I could possibly turn this into a "track car" build as well. My mind is spinning
On a side note- this car will no longer be a DD so I could possibly turn this into a "track car" build as well. My mind is spinning
12-24-2014, 05:30 AM
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Quick update. Just received word today that I am about 95% for sure going to be re-locating to the Denver area for work in march. I'm hoping I can push this thing through in the next couple months and get it finished up before I make the move. I don't want to move a project half done, and I don't know what resources I will have at my disposal once I get there. January and February are shaping up to look expensive LOL. I also am trying to see if I can have the chance to dyno here in WA, then once I move see how much elevation effects the performance of the car. Sad thing is it wont be track number
On a side note- this car will no longer be a DD so I could possibly turn this into a "track car" build as well. My mind is spinning
On a side note- this car will no longer be a DD so I could possibly turn this into a "track car" build as well. My mind is spinning
12-24-2014, 06:07 AM
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Well I dont know if I should congratulate you or give my condolences ha, Yea that would seriously suck to not be able to complete your car before moving. As far as letting it be a DD you seriously would only have 20-25 days a year where the weather would be bad enough to not want to drive your car which is easily remedied with a set of snow tires and not being a member of that slammed super cambered club comes in handy lol
12-24-2014, 07:08 AM
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The reason for it not being a DD any longer will be because I will have a company truck to drive. Fuel will be paid for and I will be travelling the state quite a bit. I'm excited for the job promotion, but at the same time a little pissed I won't be able to race my car at my home track with my dad once it is done. Nitrous is basically a must now that I'm going to live somewhere where air is hard to come by LOL
Well I will say at least you will have access to the rather excellent Bandimere Speedway so that's a plus.
12-24-2014, 08:28 AM
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12-24-2014, 08:50 AM
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Yeah ha, well if you do decide to make it a full time racer you can make up for some of that power loss by stripping down the car.....half cut doors, plexy glass windows..just a driver seat haha, fuel cell. You know all the fun race car bits haha.
12-24-2014, 10:12 AM
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I have considered that, BUT should I ever want to compete in a street class I don't want to make it a headache to put the car back together is a legal trim.
12-24-2014, 07:21 PM
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Denver will be the new capital of the U.S. according to the Hunger Games, so you may be in a good spot.
Why are you considering making it a track car now, exactly?
Why are you considering making it a track car now, exactly?
