93egSLEEPER

Unfortunately this is the mentality of 90% of the Honda community...at least in my area. Broke but they have vtec and stance y0!... So they steal everything

Honda's prices for fasteners and stuff is ridiculous...which is why I am trying to source them all from someone used.

4Driver

Hey Andy, I have everything you need...

ChrisCoupe1

Thats at least about a third of the Honda community where I'm at, always asking what you got cause it might be what they want lol Thats why I tag all my **** with an etched in 5 digit serial and my initials...takes all of 45 seconds with my dremel then I take a pic and store the info in my bule print book just in case some thief tries an gets smart with that prove it's yours BS with the cop's, have seen it happen to a friend before on some brand new SK2 coilovers dude jacked while the car was on stands in his driveway when he had it down to rebuild the motor. only got em back cause he still had his original serial number card that came with em.

93egSLEEPER

PM me with what you have and prices sir.

d15Beta

lol sohc is so 5yrs ago haah kidding..

cam rails = free.. let me look for it... except shipping = im in asia but il see wat we can do

93egSLEEPER

I'll paypal ya some money for em buddy. Let me know what you come up with and we can work out the details. Any extra bolts for them are a plus too

PSI GUY

iTrader: (2)

I probably have the bolts, I have been a Honda-tech for 13 years so I have a few bolts kicking around in junk drawers.

93egSLEEPER

LMK man! I appreciate all the help fellas.
Should be able to get the head out Friday or Saturday for the VJ and assembly. That will probably be one of the last updates for a few weeks though w/ christmas and a trip to HI coming up. My GF keeps telling me all the **** she wants...and I'm just like CAMS

FlewByU352

Why the stage 2 over stage 3 cams if you don't mind me asking?

d15Beta

alright.. soon as i find the rails il let you know..

atleast ur gonna take a xmas break like i do so no pressure lmao!

93egSLEEPER

You talking about the DDTECH cams?

The stage 3 cams are a very healthy set of cams (pro 3 size) where as the stage 2 are a more "pro 2" size. I personally felt the stage 3's would be a bit big. Derek and I have discussed this and he said they WOULD work, but the stage 2's would be a better fit. I could always grow into the stage 3's (cnc head, more compression later on, NOS etc) but out of the gate the stage 2's would give me the best usable power band for the build as it sits. I would really need to rev out the stage 3's to make use of the power

When discussing the difference in the stage 2 and stage 3 I like to keep it in "pro2 and pro3" mind set as essentially the profiles have their similarities.

If anyone has logic on this feel free to speak up. Derek...I know you have some opinions on this...lay em on me.

My own personal thought is a Pro3 sized cam will just be too big for this setup. If anyone wants to enlighten me as to why it would be a better fit, by all means.

Here are the DDTECH cam specs:

DDTECH STAGE 2 – STREET/STRIP RACING CAMS, HIGH COMP/PORTING REQUIRED
Duration: 298° INT / 290° EXH | Duration @ .050” lift (checked at valve): 264° INT / 256° EXH
Cam Lift: .318” INT / .306” EXH |Gross* Valve Lift: .492” INT / .474” EXH
Primaries/Secondaries: 260° duration / 220° @ .050” / .241” cam lift / .362” gross* valve lift
*Gross lift figures are calculated WITHOUT valve lash.
Degreeing Information
**For degreeing purposes only – Please contact us for application specific centerline recommendations**
104° LSA – 100° ICL / 108° ECL | Valve Lash: .007” INT / .008” EXH | 1.55 VTEC rocker ratio
INTAKE OPENS 32° BTDC | INTAKE CLOSES 52° ABDC
EXHAUST OPENS 56° BBDC | EXHAUST CLOSES 20° ATDC

DDTECH STAGE 3 – STRIP CAM, MODIFIED ENGINE, COMPARE TO PRO 3+

Duration: 304° INT / 296° EXH | Duration @ .050” lift (checked at valve): 270° INT / 262° EXH
Cam Lift: .320” INT / .312” EXH |Gross* Valve Lift: .496” INT / .484” EXH
Primaries/Secondaries: 268° duration / 228° @ .050” / .275” cam lift / .412” gross* valve lift
*Gross lift figures are calculated WITHOUT valve lash.
Degreeing Information
**For degreeing purposes only – Please contact us for application specific centerline recommendations**
104° LSA – 100° ICL / 108° ECL | Valve Lash: .007” INT / .008” EXH | 1.55 VTEC rocker ratio
INTAKE OPENS 35° BTDC | INTAKE CLOSES 55° ABDC
EXHAUST OPENS 59° BBDC | EXHAUST CLOSES 23° ATDC

DDTECH

What information are you exactly looking for?..

PM me on facebook or call me. I am going to be rarely active on here, i just check it when i get emails of PMS.

93egSLEEPER

A guy asked why I chose 2's over 3's so I gave my reasoning and logic behind it. Unless someone can justify why a stage 3 would be a better choice I am set on the 2's. I provided specs on both as an FYI for everyone. We have spoken about it in the past, I'll get in touch with you again one of these days when I am ready to purchase to discuss one last time more than likely.

soloDC

You said this car might become a race car down the road at some point? What class do you plan on racing, index? We only have 11.50 and faster classes now around where I live, everything is getting faster! If it's gonna become a track car at some point I would go with DD-Tech stage 3 grinds, you can always grow into em. Its a pain resetting the head up for cams that large, just do it once. Then you can run E85 or Q16 and throw a 75 shot on it and shoot for 11s. Also upping the rev limit to around 92-9400 will let you use the larger cam profile better, while the car is still a daily you can just keep Rpms lower and putts around. Also Crome is fine to tune on for your application, don't let anyone tell you it isn't. My buddy just went 10.58 @ 139 Mph on Crome Pro lol. It'll allow you to do everything you need to do to make max power on this setup.

93egSLEEPER

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate the input. I'll address a few of your questions with "quick" answers.

When I said turn it into a race car later on, at this point, it would not be a race car that I enter events every weekend and travel with. By race car I mean just a car that sees the track for test and tunes/ open racing, and RARELY sees the streets. I would continue just to race for fun, not competitive classes or anything. In my area they don't have any Honda classes I am aware of, it would require travelling to different places every weekend which i don't have the time/money/resources for right now.

I know I could grow into the stage 3's, but I don't know when that would be. Could be 2 or more years. I think even upping the rev limit on the stage 3's will leave performance on the table..they are pretty big cams that require a good amount of pre-reqs to work properly. Derek and I discussed this quite a bit. If I do a ported head/nitrous/race fuel its quite a ways off. Trust me I have fought with myself over stage 2 vs stage 3 for months now and if I do take this build up a notch, I'll sell and repurchase the parts needed. Gotta pay to play right?

As for tuning, I know Crome will run my setup fine, but I like a few of the features Neptune has...added security being one of them. I would be able to tweak my launch control and other features like that myself as well. My last setup was crome and setting the launch control on the dyno and not being able to adjust at the track kinda blows. Defeats the purpose of it really. I got a pretty good price for a used RTP setup offered to me as well.

DDTECH

Oh look, Andrew chiming in, HI SOLODC!


Look, Andy. Just listen to the tools who all make excel graph sheets and measure **** with dial indicators, because they are all running 8's at 175+ MPH right? I mean its obvious everyone is a camshaft expert. Just ask to see their Dyno and track testing.. Lets just see what their reply is.. because lets face it, there's no denying the facts.

cisco_kid

iTrader: (2)

Nice build man.. we have similar builds going on but youre a bit ahead than me. Id like DDTech cams as well with a target of 250whp.

Best of luck on your motor... in for numbers

93egSLEEPER

I have been around the block enough times to know numbers are just...numbers. I started out on Small block chevs, dabbled in LSX stuff some, and now I'm finally putting together a "higher profile" build for my Honda. Is it anything crazy? Not really. Are any of my vehicles over the top? No. They are simple and they work for what they are built for. Street performance and track fun. I wouldn't be talking to you on the phone if I felt the only thing on the other end was hot air. I have done number crunching of my own and between you and I, we will make everything click. I didn't build a 600hp pump gas 383 by accident

Thanks for the kind words sir. I don't have a WHP goal, I have track goal. I want 12.50's in a street trim daily driver. I think I'm on the right path...can't wait to see and share the results.

ChrisCoupe1

[QUOTE=Thanks for the kind words sir. I don't have a WHP goal, I have track goal. I want 12.50's in a street trim daily driver. I think I'm on the right path...can't wait to see and share the results.[/QUOTE]


Is that going to be on or off the bottle? off the bottle on a full weight moderate build with slicks thats probably a tall order...On 75-shot I think that should be right on the money depending on gearing which I think you covered already right?

93egSLEEPER

Off the bottle. If I juice it I want to aim for 12.xx I don't think it's a tall order at all.

I'm going to run a S4C gearbox w/ 4.7FD w/ ITR LSD

The car weighs just a shade over 2300 with me in it and 1/2 tank of gas. I'm guessing I should be able to make 225-230whp. With some seat time and dialing in the car I think chasing the 12.50's is very attainable. I've seen plenty of 2200 pound cars on less power/smaller setups running high 12's.

ChrisCoupe1

Hah you know I totally forgot that your at sea level, The altitude difference besides eating 15% power has most cars running a half second or more slower then there at sea level.

93egSLEEPER

Yea altitude is a killer. I may be taking a new job in Denver in the next few months...not exactly excited about that.

ChrisCoupe1

Yeah I dont blame you, most of the scene here is either big displacement or Turbo for a reason, and about million Scoobies an Evo's hah If your going NA an want to be serious then you pretty much must go on the bottle. I was originally thinking of going boosted but that B20 fell into my lap so theres that and the fact that it will save me at least $3000 vs. getting a turbo setup I would want to have and I'l have it running before the end of next month =P....will throw up a build post once I have all the parts ready to go.

93egSLEEPER

If I end up moving to Denver I'll be looking to add a bottle at some point to gain back at least what I'll lose from sea level. I will not be happy running 13's

soloDC

What's up Derek? Sorry for the late reply, I don't lurk on these pages as much as I used to haha. Seems your rep and Camshaft business is finally getting the credit it deserves, I knew it was just a matter of time before the naysayers faded and the quality of your company, product and service shined thru!

OP: sounds like you have a good solid build going for the street! I always seem to like to take a more radical approach to my builds lol, but I like your sensible approach in keeping this motor reliable and street able, this is how I ended going on my K series and left it OEM. I think any of the DD-Tech profiles Derek recommends will work, so listen to him ultimately as he can give you the best advice since it's his engineered product we're talking about! Also as you know you can always make the cams seem larger by changing the Intake manifold and header combos, both these things can change peak power and where peak power is delivered (rpm wise) but you know this!! What is a rough power goal? A dyno is a dyno I know, but a 12.4-12.5 on slicks would be pretty fun, and quick on the street. Also, yes Neptune is a little better than Crome lol, so if you have tuner support for it in your area id do that, I was just mentioning how Crome can get the job done too. Neptune has more features and adjustability tho. Have you thought about doing the skunk2 ultra manifold? I'm seeing some good things with this mani on a few cars in my neck of the woods. Anyways, GL man! And please, follow up with some track testing!!