EG1834

The irony of this statement is what's amazing.

How do you know how experienced or knowledgeable I am compared to NAH2B? Do you think I'm some kid with a V8 car that my parents probably bought me and I can't possibly know as much as this NAH2B guy?

What a coincidence, I build race engines too. I also machine those race engines as well. Does NAH2B do the machinework as well? It doesn't sound like it. It sounds more like he sends his parts out to be balanced by guys like me. I'm not saying he doesn't know anything, it's becoming more apparent him and I have a misunderstanding more than anything.

So tell me again how much more experienced he is to where I can't disagree with him.

Besides, I have an '03 join date. Boo Yah!! lol

DDTECH

I'm a serious 2.0L, thats why, the head is 5 angled.. CR is higher.. these cams require displacement to make power.. i haven't talked to donf yet, so i'm not so set on anything yet.. but if i dont go with the m24xx's i'll stick with the pro2's but i feel like the m24xx's would probably better serve me.



oh btw, the pistons - for the guy who asked i'll get the part number later next week, but they are endyn rollerwave pistons, custom made, 12.8CR

EdSales

Building a V8 is alot different than building an Honda motor. Like Unknown said, Apples and Oranges.

Oh, care to share what you have done in your V8 world, because right now, your acting like your the ****, when really, your nothing. So, care to tell us why you are the ****?

DDTECH

Update: Wiring i had done before, was kindof redone.. i cut down alot of plugs and what not, even kept some of the stock loom and what not just made it look nicer..
With that said, all plugs coming out to see in public view will have a kevlar covering on them.. i'll post some pics tomorrow morning of the redo. So pretty much the wiring / clean up of the wiring is done.. I'll post pics of the tranny cleaning saturday.

the_unknown

Do you know what irony means? I dont recall insulting you or your intelligence and thats what i was referring to, that and the reference to Rocket made by someone else. So if you please explain the irony here.....



The way youre spouting off at the mouth to others here you very well could be some punk kid with a POS Firebird, but Ill leave your car out of this cause nothing I could say about it would be any worse than it actually being a 2000 Firebird with the typical douche of an owner. Also, if you are who you say you are and know as much as you think you do, you would know how to have an intelligent conversation about a subject with someone who knows as much if not more about the subject as you.

The way youre going about things makes it hard for anyone to put any value into what youre saying here. NAH2B is someone with a reputation here and HAS PROVEN himself. You might consider doing so before you go challenging those that have.



So because he has someone else do it on his Hondas and you work on domestics, that makes you more knowledgeable on this subject how? And PLEASE with the misunderstanding bit, trying to redeem yourself after acting like an @ss for your last ten posts does nothing for you. If anything, admit you misunderstood what he said and leave it at that, youd be better off.


Here let me find you a cookie. It seems like you need one. From what I see we never mentioned join date or post count. I for one hate it when people are judged by such things. An actual Honda F1 racing team engineer could join here tomorrow with 0 posts and a 2010 join date and would still know more about racing than either you or I.

Oh I must not forget since apparently this is what people say when they want to look smart, "OH THE IRONY"

EG1834

No, it's not apples and oranges, they're both engines. They both operate on the same principles of internal spark-ignition combustion. Balancing is all the same too. The flat plane cranks in a Honda are set up on a balancer differently that a cross plane crank in a V8, but once you spin them up, the process is the same. Remove or add material where needed.

Most late model V8's, like the ones I'm used to, are internally balanced as well as Hondas are. I have also built and machined several B-series Hondas, as well a Nissan stroker SR20. So I do have experience with internally balanced engines, not just with V8's either, so the statement by Unknown that I'm not experienced enough to argue with NAH2B is a false assumption. The point was not to make me seem like the ****, as you so ignorantly accused me of, but to show that I at least have the experience to have a debate with NAH2B instead of swallowing his dick like the rest of you. You don't even know the difference between "your" and "you're", so who are you to talk ****? Why don't you come back when you've mastered 5th grade English.


Here's a couple of my builds since you're (<-see how that was used?) interested:

Nissan SR20 (made over 700whp)






Ford OHC Mod Motor (made over 800whp before going to SEMA)






440ci LSX






Dodge Viper






...and for good measure, a B18C1

EG1834

The irony is your snide remarks concerning knowledge, experience, and accolades when you know nothing of mine. Making the statement that I shouldn't be arguing with him because he is more experienced/knowledgeable is an insult, especially when you add that anyone with half a brain wouldn't argue with him either. I guess it's just common practice in these forums to just take everything you're told by some of the reputable guys as gospel. If that's the case, I'm really gonna stir **** up in here!

I do know how to have an intelligent conversation, but not with disrespectful ********. Look where it started and who started being offensive. As for my car, all I'm gonna say is in here, 10's on motor sets a record. In the LSx V8 world, that's a dime a dozen.

Why do I need to prove myself? If anyone here actually knew what they were talking about besides NAH2B and I, I wouldn't need to as it would be obvious we are both stating factual information. How many engines or however many thousands of horsepower I've helped create won't make the facts anymore true or false.

No, because I do the work he sends out to have someone else do. We already established that he sends hiis cranks out to be balanced, and I balance cranks. Also, I didn't misunderstand him, he misunderstood me. He took one of my posts out of context. That should be obvious by now.

That was sarcasm. I know there is no "sarcasm font" yet, but I thought that it would be obvious.

Justin Jones

^^ This man knows what he's talking about. *thumbs up*

the_unknown

Im not going to bother picking apart that last post because it seems like im talking to a brick wall. You seem to forget this little gem you dropped on the second page in reference to NAH2B:

"Of course it doesn't make sense to you, you don't know what the hell you're talking about."

Totally unprovoked and without forethought. THAT is how this argument started, but I must remember its always easier for the simple minded to point the finger at others.

BTW, if youre implying that because American V8's can easily break the ten second barrier that it makes them not pieces of ##it, then I have news for you. Im sorry that cars with motors not even half the size of your Trans am's lump have taken a bit longer to catch up. Who would have thought that 1.8L and 2.0L engines would require more work to propel a car down a track as fast as a 6L would? You must have learned that working in that shop makin them dragsters pull an eight second pass!

A POS is a POS, doesnt matter whats under the hood, remember that.

Oh and sorry about misreading the sarcasm portion. Its hard to discern sarcasm from idiocy coming out of an idiots mouth.

ALL MOTOR I sincerely apologize. This is your build thread so please continue. Im leaving well enough alone.

EG1834

Right, like "that makes absolutely no sense" is real subtle too. That is actually how it started. If he were more civil and wanted to be a little more facilitative of an intelligent argument, a simple "what do you mean?" would have sufficed (which is what i would have done), but he decided to cop an attitude, and attitude is what he got back in response.

I've got news for you as well, I used to drive imports. I used to own a B series swapped EG before I got my Trans Am. I still drive my Trans Am. In my personal experience, that little Honda Civic was the POS and I took very good care of that car. Have you owned both cars like I have, or are you just saying what you said out of blind bias and internet bullshit?

Oh, and we didn't race dragsters and we didn't run 8's either. We ran 7's on a stock style suspension Camaro. The All Motor class car ran 8's...

If you guys are so worried about trashing this thread, then why add to the stupid side arguments? NAH2B and I are talking balancing, adding that technical aspect which people have already said they've learned from. The rest of you are either swinging off NAH2B's ball or just being a smartass,adding nothing to the technical argument.

702Prodigy

Is this the same head from your first build thread? Didn't you do your own head? I remember you had vibration problems after taking the car to the track for the first time with this motor, did everything check out then?

NAH2B

im done arguing w/ this

SR20S13

whats with all the crying? your all to smart to be so childish, people build motors in different ways not saying that 1 way is wrong but if they both make power so the end result is the same what is the difference?

95skunkedgsr

and no one ever bad mouthed rocket .. i just said he was dick .. im sure everyone can agree with me on that , a smart dick that i miss posting ... but still a dick

PyroProblem

X2.
The things I know about crankshaft balancing coincide with everything he said.

PyroProblem

And just for the record, every factory honda crank Ive had balanced were near perfect already according to the machinists. VERY minor touching up needed.

EHondaJDM

The difference is some last a week and some last 5 years

Anyone can learn to build a engine, it takes time, patience, and precision to build a reliable long lasting engine...

This comment:
And this one:
Completly contradict each other. Last time I checked.. saying someone is a dick, especially without them here to defend themselves, is bad mouthing

Anyways...All M0T0R, what header pipe are you using?

SR20S13

having a engine that lasts awhile is alot more then just having it put together good

breaking in the motor and the upkeep play big roles also

soupE__

gtfo of this poor guys build thread with this **** lol

Thrule01

bump for derek and a good guy...looking forward to seeing this time together...the old motor in the teg was a pretty sweet setup...

DDTECH

BALLLERRRRR - Kelver wiring cover should be arriving today or tomorrow for the wire tuck pics ...
Got a pallet to ship back to donf..

I'll keep the updates rolling when i can and take some more pics of the clean. port work on the manifold starts monday.

DDTECH

ya.. dragged alot of turbo cars in that heavy pig ..
would still be running today, had the clutch not split in half.

BJ91T

What kinda turbo cars were you killin?

DDTECH

I've raced a few turbo d series and turbo ls's.

I raced a stock ls-t on 12psi put about 3 cars on him

EK with k20z3 built head, stock block

civic si 03 k20a3 on 10psi

i raced a fully built d16 on 13psi from a low roll, and pulled him by a half a car

just in general.. i raced a gsr on 10psi too a few months back but.. i dont even think that was a race..i dunno..these were all while the motor was in my dc2 and on the s2s2 tuners..

BJ91T

pretty impressive,How much power you making? I saw you said you trap 110 i think what was the time on that pass or your fastest one i should say i would like to do an all motor setup oneday