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Old 06-05-2010, 11:34 AM
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So, driving home from Hershey Park last night, my EP decided it didn't want to go into 4th gear anymore. Car runs fine, shifts into every other gear just fine, no 3rd gear grinds even. It just will not physically engage 4th, cant even get the shifter to move into it. I didn't hear and noises or hit anything so I have no idea where this is coming from. The shift linkage isn't blocked by anything on the outside of the transmission.

Would changing the trans fluid help? I just changed it (with Honda MTF) about 7k miles ago and everything was fine.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

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Clutch might be on it's way out..

but yeah check your tranny fluid level to start diagnosing the problem. It should be level with the fill bolt (I'm sure you knew this already).
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could be the clutch..i'm at about 125k on my 2002 and still on the original from the best of my knowledge. I'm the second owner, bought it with about 100k on it almost a year and a half ago so i have no record of it was changed or not.
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sounds like a clutch..., but might be synchro issue..., check fluid first like turboteg2nv suggested.
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i havent been to hershey park since 1983
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

I had a similar problem on my way back from Nashville. My car kicked itself out of 5th gear and then never wanted to go back in...I was seriously only doing 70 in the interstate and I wasn't driving crazy...bad synchcros FTL...
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haha I was born 5 years after your last trip to Hershey Park BigDaddy

I hope it's not the synchro, It didn't kick out of gear, I just went to shift into 4th leaving the parking lot, and it wouldn't go in.
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i miss the east coast
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... I hope it's not the synchro, It didn't kick out of gear, I just went to shift into 4th leaving the parking lot, and it wouldn't go in.
I had similar issue with my 3rd gear..., at first it needed little force to go into 3rd, then wouldn't let me go in at all, and finally went in and wouldn't let me disengage it...

Opened up the tranny; f*ck*d up clutch, badly worn throwout bearing, no good synchro, flywheel... you get the idea...
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Originally Posted by cloumep3
you get the idea...
yea, [expletive deleted]
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Just topped off the trans fluid, might have been a tad low, took less than 1/5 quart to make it run out of the plug hole. Still can't get 4th to work...
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

sounds like a clutch/throw bearing issues it happened to me at 95k miles
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

Originally Posted by kobeballer96
sounds like a clutch/throw bearing issues it happened to me at 95k miles
dont know if that would be it, if the car can go into any other gear but 4th, i would think theres something else at play here.
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going to trans shop on Tuesday
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

Local guy! How was the park btw? lol

I can't see it being a clutch issue if it's only one gear. The clutch will normally affect every gear. Given that it simply won't pull into the gear, sounds to me that your 3rd gear synchro sleeve's teeth mushroomed over and won't let it slide down the synchro hub. Usually this happens from the sleeve getting beat up on the dogteeth on the gear itself (i.e. grinding). Odd that you mentioned 3rd doesn't grind at all but you're experiencing this.
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HP was great, got a friend that works there so free admission

IF anyone has a 5spd trans in SE PA, DE, South Jersey, North Maryland PM me asap!
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Originally Posted by Nate13
HP was great, got a friend that works there so free admission

IF anyone has a 5spd trans in SE PA, DE, South Jersey, North Maryland PM me asap!
will look around for ya
Old 06-18-2010, 07:14 AM
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found 1:
05, 5 spd, 32k miles, $600
good deal?
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

Are there ANY differences between the 05 and 02 trans'? (I know they fixed the third gear grind issue internally) I just want to make sure my 02 to 05 trans swap will but a simple pulling of the old and slappin on the new one
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

If it was the clutch, it would be hard to get into every gear. Sounds like it's an internal issue specific to 4th gear.
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

Who needs 4th gear anyways? Just shift from 3rd to 5th!
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

thats what ive been doing to get to work, so im not really in a huge rush to fix it.

BIGJ you in KOP? im from right below Kennett Sq., PA
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

Originally Posted by Nate13
Are there ANY differences between the 05 and 02 trans'? (I know they fixed the third gear grind issue internally) I just want to make sure my 02 to 05 trans swap will but a simple pulling of the old and slappin on the new one
AFAIK you need a VSS converter to get the speedometer working if you run an 04-05 tranny on an 02-03.
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

Originally Posted by BlitzSix
AFAIK you need a VSS converter to get the speedometer working if you run an 04-05 tranny on an 02-03.
Thanks that a great help. You know where I can get one?
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Default Re: Oh hey 4th gear, where'd you go?

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Thanks that a great help. You know where I can get one?
Hybrid racing has one...

http://www.hybrid-racing.com/store/h...veter-box.html
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