B_CRUZ!

http://www.streetimports.com/p...d=410

link popped up under one of the threads I was reading... it was a google link.

2kgs-R

The header looks nice in the pictures, and the price is affordable. I wonder how it performs, anyone ever hear of this replica?

Bbasso

If its the same design as the OEM JDM 4-1 then how bad can it perform?, But as to the build quality... I bet $1.00 Honda's part would last longer.

splitime

They are a site sponsor and selling them in the performance section of this site.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=966076

Dogginator

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If its the same design as the OEM JDM 4-1 then how bad can it perform?, But as to the build quality... I bet $1.00 Honda's part would last longer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Build quality is more than just durability. I wonder how well the flanges are deburred and if there are other flow restrictions due to construction.

warwagon

damn thats ******* cheap.... just get the heat sheilds and dont bash the bottom of it... it's not a turbo manifold so it doesnt have to be bomb proof!

Opie

I'm waiting for the dyno #'s...

Bradstard

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by opie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm waiting for the dyno #'s...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Buy one and try it....cheap ***

Padawan

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dogginator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Build quality is more than just durability. I wonder how well the flanges are deburred and if there are other flow restrictions due to construction.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You raise a very good point, but the OEM JDM ITR 4-1 isn't known for its excellent finish quality either. The internal flange welds aren't ideal, and the collector also has room for improvement. Overall, the DC Sports JDM 4-1 is a better choice in this respect, but it's a bit more expensive than this replica.

KOALA YUMMIES

Not to mention the OE JDM header rusts much more than the Ceramic and Polished DC replicas; and new at around $400 for the JDM Honda one; this header if comperable is quite a bargain by comparison.

Rene M

I do not care for the welds on the black one ( or the fact its mild steel).. The mild steel one would not last for most of you up north..

white rocket

I ordered one yesterday. For that price, I couldn't resist. I have to wait until end of Sept before I install it because I'm waiting for my T1R to come in and I've got a magnaflow cat waiting. I'll be sure to post pics and maybe I'll get a before and after dyno just for proof.

Oh yeah....i ordered the SS polished one NOT the black mild steel one.

WAFFLES

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by white rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I ordered one yesterday. For that price, I couldn't resist. I have to wait until end of Sept before I install it because I'm waiting for my T1R to come in and I've got a magnaflow cat waiting. I'll be sure to post pics and maybe I'll get a before and after dyno just for proof.

Oh yeah....i ordered the SS polished one NOT the black mild steel one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you can, take pics of the welds, Inside the flanges and collector please.

white rocket

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WAFFLES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If you can, take pics of the welds, Inside the flanges and collector please. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Fo' sho'. It should arrive early next week. I'll be sure to post some pics.

fakemike

here is some pics of the ss one from their site






edit: 2 more pics






pic of welds



Modified by fakemike at 4:06 PM 8/27/2004

B_CRUZ!

inside welds for the steel one.

RagingAngel

looks a lot like the OEM welds laid down on the 98spec I had before....

Particularly the ones on the inside of the flange.... nothing a die grinder didn't clean up in like 45mins while spending 15mins lookin for the stupid bit!

The copy is so OEM ...right down to the header hanger bracket....

Tommy_Gunns

Is the collector double walled like OEM JDM or not?

How much for the SS one?

Padawan

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RagingAngel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks a lot like the OEM welds laid down on the 98spec I had before.... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Unfortunately, you're right. I personally would have liked to have seen less attention paid towards constructing a "perfect" replica, and more towards building a high-performance piece. The welds could just have easily been placed on the outside of the flange, where they wouldn't have restricted flow.

And yes, the collector has the same double-walled design as the OEM piece. Again, probably not something I would have chosen to include, but there have been arguments that it has somewhat of an "anti-reversion" effect (though this could also have been achieved by other means that wouldn't have reduced the overall diameter of the collector).

Incidentally, does anyone else find it interesting that a company took the time to construct such an accurate replica of this piece? I don't mean this in a negative way, I'm just wondering why they didn't opt to "copy" a different, better-performing design, since the cost of manufacturing it would have been just as great. Perhaps they've obtained some surplus Honda components somehow?

I suppose a decent analogy would be a company producing aftermarket camshafts. In my mind it would make more sense to copy something like a Toda Spec B, rather than an OEM GS-R.


Modified by Padawan at 5:11 PM 8/27/2004

B_CRUZ!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Padawan &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Incidentally, does anyone else find it interesting that a company took the time to construct such an accurate replica of this piece? I don't mean this in a negative way, I'm just wondering why they didn't opt to "copy" a different, better-performing design, since the cost of manufacturing it would have been just as great. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I totally agree with you on this.... Imagine if they put that effort on a Toda header replica or something.

CALM_AS_A_BOMB

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b cruz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I totally agree with you on this.... Imagine if they put that effort on a Toda header replica or something.</TD></TR></TABLE>

With such high demand for "JDM" is so high right now, that's why i believe they choose this route.

All I have to say is for the price, I would definitly buy it. If i had the extra cash I would love to build a honda with mainly all replica/knockoff parts and see how it would hold up.

Willard

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RagingAngel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The copy is so OEM ... </TD></TR></TABLE>
it is a little too close to OEM..

1GreyTeg

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Willard &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it is a little too close to OEM.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Maybe they fell of the back of a JDM truck and these guys painted it black or sumpthin

ebelp

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Maybe they fell of the back of a JDM truck and these guys painted it black or sumpthin </TD></TR></TABLE>

I dunno...something about it just screams "knockoff!".

WAFFLES

The welds look okay.

I'm wondering if the flat black is high temp paint or a coating. I would assume a paint since a true coating costs about $100 or so.