dlg0187

2001 Acura integra GSR
metal to metal grinding/scratching when RPMs shoot up. Pressing of clutch has no affect on noise. When cruising, noise is comparable to bad wheel bearings or worn out brake pads. When picking up speed (accelerating) noise is less obvious. when idle, and I "Blip" the throttle, it's most obvious. Lately, it started doing it when I start or shut off car as well. When I shift to a higher gear, I hear the whirring noise clearly and it is consistent with my RPMs. I feel like it is some sort of bearing.

Brief History:

about a year ago, Bought car from close friend. Before sale, he took it to Jiffy lube. -_____- and got a transmission flush. :-O His friend that worked there went by the book (database) and it says to fill with gear oil. (maybe differential oil) and that's what happened. I bought car and noticed a grind on 3rd. I swapped to Honda MT Fluid the next week and Themis shifted like butter. Don't know why JL put in gear oil, but I went and asked, and NOW their database says to fill with HMTF. JL receipt clearly said it was filled with gear oil on that visit. But sadly, original receipt is lost, and surprisingly, theres absolutely no record of MT car being at any JL nationwide. cover-up? Maybe. Reason I mention this is because the shop that inspected my trans said bearings, syncros, sliders and fork is bad and damage is consistent with bad or wrong lubrication. (sounds about right - and they didn't know about my JL incident.

here is a video of the noise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwjtmX4uzt4

after The video(last week), I took it to my mechanic. he confirmed it was from transmission area. By now, not only was the noise getting worse, but 3rd gear came back and had been grinding worse and worse for the past 4 months. I thought it best to remove The transmission and send it to my friend for rebuild. now I have in front of me a transmission, all it's guts taken out, by some shop(gonna rebuilt it anyway) clutch and flywheel. my flywheels bearing sounds weird and the teeth ring easily comes out.



Mechanic said the teeth aren't supposed to come off like that. that would SUCK if it turns out to by my flywheel cuz I just torn down my trans. excuse my long post, but I'm concerned cuz all this is gonna cost me. My car needs work and while I'm there, might as well: rebuild trans, rebuild motor(needs it bad) new mounts, new axles, radiator, ac compressor, all belts, tires, and more :/ over 3k.

mileage is 120k. don't know this cars history. any help to find the noise culprit greatly appreciated.

mouab18c1

iTrader: (5)

Your flywheel almost looks like it has uneven burns. Jiffy Lube is the worse place in history to get your car serviced at. Straight up retarded motha F'ers

vtaker

Using diff oil will not cause a catastrophic failure though. The trans will just shift like **** because it's a little thicker. Personally, I think using the new **** THIN Honda MTF is ridiculous on cars with 100k+. Most Honda guys use either Amsoil, Motul, or GM Syncromesh.

Glad you found out it was just the flywheel. Now you can get a new one and rebuild your trans. A shop shouldn't charge more than 6-800 for the job w/ parts. And while you're at it, change out the clutch, flywheel bearing, and throwout bearing.

dlg0187

Thanks for the info. I will be sure to note it. And it is relieving to have a second opinion about whether the gear oil damaged my trans to this extent. (assuming my noise IS from the trans) But actually, I have not confirmed the noise to be from the flywheel. that's why I'm here. In my search for what the noise can be, I came across multiple threads with people asking the same question that never got an answer. Perhaps they just rebuilt everything and assumed it was the trans. In my case I want to narrow it down, or better yet, pinpoint it to the following:

Flywheel ring gear (comes off. is this normal? do you guys think this was my noise?)
transmission bearings (or judging by the video and desc. does anyone think that a trans is capable of producing such a noise during revs and would the cause be consistent with my experience with jiffy lube?)
or something else yet to be discovered. in which I'll be sure to eximime if pointed to The right direction

This may save the next guy alot of pain and money. If it is my flywheel, then I just wasted alot of time and money because I was sure it was my trans. But if the noise is from my trans, I hope someone can advise on what to look for such as a worn particular bearing or some kind of wear indication.

mouab18c1

iTrader: (5)

You're flywheel is messed up. It should not come apart like that.

Danimals

You should somehow find proof or a way to hold jiffy lube responsible for your tranny. Btw true story, took my car a little over a year ago to JL for a oil change, I had just bought the car and didn't have time to change it but knew it needed one bad. So I decided to take it to them, long story short, drove home and noticed oil leaking from under the car WTF?!. I jacked it up to noticed the cheap oil filter was cracked most likely by over tightening it. Called and bitched for a while.... Finally they said to come in and they will take care of it. How you bastards I don't have any oil to drive it! End rant/

dlg0187

i thought long and hard for a way to hold them responsible, or a way to present my case. But how am i gonna do that when the previous owner threw away the receipt. Logical thing to do is to go ask for it and print it out. Can you believe they said there is absolutely no record of my car visiting any jiffy lube nationwide? like is said. i think this has happened before, and they deleted all service records in which gear oil was used on a honda trans.

Now that it has been brought to my attention that the ring gear is bad on my flywheel, perhaps my trans is fine, and its actually my flywheel that makes that noise from the video. I guess ill never find out, because im here at my mechanics shop and im waiting for my new clutch and flywheel to get here. then im gonna go get my trans rebuild, and put it everything back on my car.

hopefully theres no more noise... whatever it was.

mouab18c1

iTrader: (5)

That is your stock flywheel correct? If yes it shouldn't even come off like that. I can guarantee that is your problem.