rak511

Working on putting a new oil pump in my 94 integra. Its obd1 and im putting in a new obd2 oil pump as some of you know from my other post. This is my first time ever taking off a timing belt. I got the oil pan off spark plugs out valve cover off and was about to do set the crankshaft pulley to tdc... First Id like to ask is it bad if I rotated the crankshaft pulley clockwise instead of counterclockwise... I finally got it to tdc on the crankshaft and realized that the cam gears were not at the tdc mark, so wen I turn it to put the cam gears at tdc the crankshaft is off by maybe a quarter of an inch? Does this matter? Im about to remove that next and replace the oil pump What shuld I do? Just align the crankshaft pulley to tdc and take the bolt out? Or what.. im lost... any help is very much appreciated. Thanks!

Eg.ls.turbo

Never turn the crank clockwise only counter clockwise. Turning clock wise can bend some valves.

If all the timing marks don't line up on the cam gears and crankshaft then ur off timed, NO it's not ok to run like that, your car will not run right.

If u haven't installed the oil pump yet then just take the belt tensioner loose and take off timing belt and remove oil pump and replace with new one.

rak511

Ok so not lining up dosnt matter so much now... I can lock the cams with allen wrenches and then when I put it all back together make sure its all at tdc... Is it possible that the mark on the timing belt cover is wrong? I read somewhere else that there timing belt cover didn't match like mine did but there timing was fine and the crankshaft pulley lined up with the mark on the oil pump

B_Swapped93

seriously stop spreading that myth merely turning it won't do **** I've even seen ppl's belts snap at cursing speed and no bent valves.



stick a 12'' 3/8th extension down the #1 spark plug well and at it's highest point is TDC go by that instead of the cover etc, I trust your upper cover is off so you can see the gears.

Fliptard

there also should be an arrow on the oil pump and a line on the crank timing gear, to align the crank at TDC. Marks on the cam should be aligned across the head, NOT pointed at each other. the lines will be close, but one on the cam will be slightly higher than the other. Once timing belt is on, rotate the crank a few times and make sure everything is still aligned at TDC.

Eg.ls.turbo

Dude are u retarded so ur tellin him it's ok to spin the motor clockwise????!!! Are u high on crack?
There's always a chance to bend valves turning it clockwise, mayb not the first or second time but always a chance. Y force the motor the way it isn't suppose turn.
Op don't listen to him don't turn it clockwise.

Fliptard

Also, your bottom timing cover won't fit onto the OBD2 oil pump.

B_Swapped93

lol I've seen you post tons of incorrect info on here. Do you actually know WHAT exactly causes them to bend ? i'll bet not...when the pistons come up faster than the valve can close, this causes the piston to actually hit the valve head. Now explain to us how on earth OP is going to turn the engine THAT fast by hand . there's plenty of P2V clearance with his set up(ls/v)

Pre-2000 Honda engines are one of the oddballs in the engine world, spinning CCW when looking at the front, CW when looking at the rear. Since 2000, the K-series engine started going into several Honda models, which rotates clockwise like most engines.

Eg.ls.turbo

Man I've read ur post and all u do is complain and whine about how to do this and that, MAN UP and figure it out Urself, no body wants to hears a ******* crybaby.

Ur still tryin to say its ok for him to turn clockwise, u dumb ***! Ok if he was turning it clockwise with u tellin him it's ok to do that, he might end up having a pull bar and then u go figure. Now who gonna be the idiot to blame that said it's ok to turn clockwise

Fliptard

You CAN turn the engine CW, but in doing so, the timing belt CAN jump back or loosen up enough to have the valves still open when the pistons comes up. It's not always GOING to bend a valve, but it is something than COULD happen. I have rotated all my motors backwards and have had ZERO issues. If you have to, just do it slow and watch your timing belt and you will be ok.

kyden

what does a k series have anything to do with this topic?

you should NEVER spin the engine the wrong way.

B serious

iTrader: (1)

Turning the motor clockwise won't cause a bent valve. It might cause you to jump timing. If you jumped like...3 teeth, you might get contact. If you're dumb enough to turn the motor hard enough by hand at that point to bend a valve....working on cars is not your strong suit.

Starting an engine with bad timing would cause a bent valve. But...you should always do one last timing check before reassembling everything.

So unless you're completely useless, turning a motor clockwise doesn't directly cause a bent valve.

B_Swapped93

cause 90% of the ppl on here like half assing things and not shelling out for top shelf items, sorry I'm not one of them I can afford it no problem.

ffs did you not see what I posted how on earth can OP turn it that fast by hand if his timing belt is tight he'll have NO issues, and to this day I've never heard of someone being able to bend valves by simply turning it backwards.


COULD yes there's a risk in everything some bigger then others for eg-ls-idiot to come in here running his mouth saying I'm retarded for doing is laughable. Same here I just do it slowly and I've never had an issue with my belt/tensioner coming loose.

Eg.ls.turbo

Yea I'm not saying it'll bend a valve everytime u turn it the wrong way, of course it'll b hard to turn once the piston and valve hit each other, but I'm just sayin if someone that's new to working on motors and turning it the wrong way, he might force it in a way to mayb bend a valve. ( I mean I've turn it clockwise too and haven't bent a valve) but I wouldnt tell someone it's ok to do it.

B serious

iTrader: (1)

Yes it matters. 1/4" is like 1 or 2 teeth. That's huge.

-Line up the cams first. Make sure the two hatch marks match up to each other 100%. Lock the cams.

-Check the crank. The mark on the gear and oil pump needs to match 100%.

-If it doesn't, undo the tensioner and lock it away from the belt, slip the belt off, and line the crank up.

-Put the belt on. Remove the cam lock. Release the tensioner so it engages the belt.

-Turn the motor COUNTER FU#&ING CLOCKWISE two or three teeth. LOCK the tensioner in its tensioned position. Don't help the tensioner. Tension is pre set by the spring.

-Turn the motor COUNTERCLOCKWISE until the cam hatches line up again. Check that the crank is at TDC 100%. Then you're done. If it isn't at TDC, start at the 3rd step again.

Eg.ls.turbo

Yea ok I'm an idiot tellin him to turn the motor counter clockwise when that's how the motor from the factory rotates. Look in the manual and it'll say DONT TURN IT CLOCKWISE!!!

Even if ur turning it clockwise slowly, y would u do that anyways??? It doesn't take that much to just turn CCW and do it right.

B_Swapped93

Dear God you're stupid kid please use proper grammar also, 2-3 turns slowly won't hurt anything as said unless you're completely retarded(like you are) you'll be ok doing a turn or 2 in the wrong direction.

Eg.ls.turbo

Trust me I'm not a kid. At least I'm man enough to not whine and complain posting 6500 posts. I'm done with u. All ur doin is whining about turning it clockwise.

Peace out with ur clockwise motor turning noob.

B_Swapped93

Then it must make you feel good arguing with a 19 year old.... , go back to your ebay pos civic. it's called an engine actually
•A motor is a machine that converts other forms of energy into mechanical energy and so imparts motion.


•An engine is a motor that converts thermal energy to mechanical work.

Note that if there's no combustion, there's no engine. Purely electric cars don't have engines.

rak511

Haha... well obviously im not going to just purely rotate it clockwise... I just rotated it clockwise maybe an eighth of a turn because I went to far when checking the cam gears to tdc, wanted to make sure its not going to do any damage... and no I didn't spin that thing like I was the hulk or something... lol... But as far as my original question goes it doesn't matter the timing now because I didn't even take the belt off and replace the oil pump yet? I just have to make sure the timing is good when im putting it back right? I can lock the cams with allen wrenches and take off the crankshaft pulley bolt, then when im done installing the new oil pump I just have to make sure the tdc mark on the crankshaft gear lines up with the oil pump mark... And then when I put the timing cover on and pulley those "should" line up... But is it possible that the mark on the cover isn't where it shuld... the crankshaft mark is off by maybe a quarter inch? Maybe it jumped a tooth when I rotated it clockwise?

rak511

I didn't even remove the pulley and cover yet... shuld I do that and then go by the marks on the oil pump and gear instead of the timing marks on the timing cover and pulley

Fliptard

yes, use the marks on the oil pump and timing gear.

B serious

iTrader: (1)

The oil pump is more accurate. But the timing cover mark will line up if you line the oil pump up. You might be a tooth off right now because you turned it clockwise.

rak511

Ok... so like I said I can lock the cams to tdc and remove the bottom cover replace the oil pump and then put it back together... it doesn't matter its a tooth off now as long as I don't run it... It only matters when its going back together... when I take off the belt I can rotate the crank gear COUNTER-CLOCKWISE (lol) to tdc do the oil pump and then making sure its still tdc, put it back together? correct?

B serious

iTrader: (1)

^yes. But once the belt is off, turn the crank whichever way takes the shortest distance to return to TDC. The reason for turning it only counter clockwise is so that you don't jump timing. No timing belt, no timing to worry about.

Actually, when the belt is off, you really don't want to turn the crank more than a couple of teeth...otherwise you'll hit some valve somewhere. So if you overshot the timing, you can remove the belt and turn it clockwise to get where to need to be instead of trying to turn a whole revolution counterclockwise.

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