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Old 04-01-2011, 04:37 PM
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Stupid mistake but I need some help
So my car has been having a little white smoke coming from the exhaust and water in the tail pipe for a while now and I only have 800 miles on the motor. It's not coolant b/c it has no smell and it can't be condensation b/c it doesn't stop unless I go on the interestate or something and it comes back. It have a slight misfire at idle and I was thinking I had moisture/water in the fuel tank b/c the car probably sat for a long time with the previous owner. And it also sat for a little while while I was building the motor. I did a compression test and I am 177-180 across the board. I have no coolant loss or mixing of any kind between oil and coolant.

The problem is that I put 16oz. of seafoam in a half full gas tank (roughly 5 gallons of fuel) so the consentration is over poweringI took it for a drive and didn't make it to far before the car stalled out on me. I put 5 more gallons of gas in the car to see if I can even the ratio out (1oz./ 1 gallon of fuel. I still can't get the car to start up. I checked the plugs and they are saturated and I think they might be fouled out now.

What are my options now? Do I need to drain the tank? I have an extra 5 gallons of gas I can add. Should I just try and syphon 5 gallons out and put fresh gas in or should I just drain the tank and drop it to inspect? Would starter fluid be a good option right now?

Like I said, fuel is reaching the combustion chamber. So I know it's not clogged up. I think the treatment to gasoline ratio is way off. Any help is appreciated. Im getting the car towed home in a few.

So today I started working on the car again so far I did the following

drained 3/4 of the gas out of the tank
changed the spark plugs
drained the fuel rail
changed the igniter with a spare
changed the cap with a spare

Still can't get the car to fire up. The car stared up every single time since I rebuilt the motor with no hesitation and now nothing. I should have enough gas : treatment ratio in the fuel tank for it to start up. Mechanical timing still looks correct.

All I did was add the seafoam to the tank and the car started right up and I let it warm up before driving it. Everything seemed fine. I went down Tchop to the chevron and turned around and it started missing and then it eventually stalled out so I pulled over and got it towed home. So I assume it's the fuel treatment but after draining about 8 gallons of it out and putting 5 gallons of clean gas in I can't see it being the seafoam. Im not sure what to check now.

Just went out and tried to mess with it again. I had to use jumper cables in order to keep cranking the car over to see what I could find. It seems like the car wants to start up but won't. I pulled the plugs again to take a look and I found that the new plugs are as followed.

cylinders 1 and 4 are clean and smell like fuel
cylinders 2 and 3 are black and a little wet

I wasn't getting this result until today.

I can hear 2 pops coming out of the exhaust but wont fire up. I checked to make sure I was getting spark to all plugs by removing the plug and attaching it to the wire and resting on the valve cover while turning over. I could see fuel being pushed out of the cylinder as I turned it over. Could the poping be valve related? Tomorrow I am going to do another compression test.

I have 63 views and no suggestions. Any ideas and theories are welcome at this point lol.


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Old 04-01-2011, 05:17 PM
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Check the valve timing, sounds like you may have jumped a tooth. 94
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Yup, I'd check timing too, it could of jumped.
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Just checked it out and the cams are right on. Everything lines up perfect and the belt still feels as it did when it crank perfect. I changed the distributor out with a spare in my garage and still the same problem.

Do you think there is a chance of something blocking the runners for cylinder 2 and 3? The spark plugs for cylinders 4 and 5 are all wet when I pull them and have no carbon deposits on them. Would this indicate that im not getting spark to those cylinder? Im going to check the valve lash tomorrow. That's the only way I could see the valves being out of sync if the timing is right.
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how about a leak down check also ? did you pull the injectors?
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I have not pulled the injectors. I have not done a leakdown test. I don't have an air compressor to do that. I'm assuming your suggesting that to see if I have a leaking valve?

Thanks for all the suggestions guys. This is my baby lol. I need her to stay alive.
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First if your plugs are wet you flooding it out to get the excess gas out of the cylinders do the following...
1. Pull plugs
2. Disconnect fuel and spark
3. Get In car and open throttle all the way push it to the floor and turn it over about 10 times
4. Go out And get new plugs and replace them
5. Install fuse for fuel and connector for spark.

You have too much fuel in the cylinders you need to wash that out via the procedure above. Start with that and then see what happens
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Note to self...self...don't put too much sea foam in gas tank.

And I am wondering where you got a #5 cylinder.

Good luck with this, the above post sounded good to me.
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You didn't know I was the first person to swap a Audi 5 cylinder engine in my integra (April fools). It was a typo I mean 1 and 4.

At this point I don't think it was a seafoam issue. I drained the tank and have clean gas in and still have the same exact problem. Some people I have spoken with said they used the same amount of seafoam and never had that problem so I think it's a different issue and coincidents that it happened after seafoam. I could be wrong but im sure going to find or my car wont be starting anytime soon.
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Have you confirmed that you have good spark on all 4 cylinders? 94
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How can I confirm good spark? I have visually seen spark on the tips of the plugs but not sure how to know it's good spark.
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have you aired out the cylinders as suggested yet? your problem could be as simple as washed out cylinders.
after you've aired them out, you can try pouring a tea spoon of oil down each cylinder through the plug holes. then reinstall the plugs and try firing it up. the oil will help reseal the rings.
another possibility is that the concentration of the sea foam has caused some of your injectors to stay stuck open.
try airing the cylinders and go from there
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YEah thats the plan here are videos from in the car cranking and behind the car cranking. the cylinders are def. getting flooded

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http://flic.kr/p/9vj1tq

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http://flic.kr/p/9vg1Gx
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that hurts to watch. air out those cylinders with the steps that were provided. not doing so could damage your rings and cylinder walls. so stop cranking until you've done so
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Default Re: Stupid mistake but I need some help

Im letting them air out now. I will add a smal amout of oil and see what happens. Thanks for the help with this. Hopefully this will at least get me cranking to further diognose the problem.
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Default Re: Stupid mistake but I need some help

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How can I confirm good spark? I have visually seen spark on the tips of the plugs but not sure how to know it's good spark.
Good bright spark with "snap" or "crackle" to it, or how far will the spark jump?

Also as has been suggested, air out the cylinders. 94
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I think this is an ignition problem now. Although it's pretty bright outside I couldn't see any spark now. I cleaned the plugs and opened the cylinders again to let them air out. I rotated the engine with nothing turned on FPR out and no spark plugs just to cycle the engine. How long does it usually take? Should I just let them sit over night to make sure everthying is dry? I look in the cylinder with a flashlight and it's wet in there. Im going to see if I have some obd0 injectors in my garage and swap the ones for cylinder 2 and 3. It almost seems like cylinder 1 and 4 are not getting spark b/c the spark plugs have no discoloration just wet with fuel and cylinders 2 and 3 seem to get spark and to much fuel. This is crazy. lol. At least the weather is nice today.
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it sounds like it is out of time.... you need to check it.
are you mashing the gas when you are cranking it? if so dont. you need to pull all the plugs and do the above steps i gave you turn it over about 10 times and BUY NEW PLUGS. the other ones are ruined.
check timing for sure if you keep this up you will wash down your cylinders and ruin the rings.

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could be the ignition control module too you have a helms or anything?
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Timing isnt off and I have a haynes manual but the ignition firing order is wrong in that book. I called my brother to compare his and now I got the firing order right. No more popping out the exhuast but still not firing up. Im going to let it all dry out and try some new plugs and see what happens
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Let it sit over night with the plugs out of it and try in the morning
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I was thinking that it could be the ignition control module. Im going to look in the haynes just to see how to check if it's good or not. I have a few in the garage so I can check if I have a good one and make sure all the connections are tight. I will update you all tomorrow when I get the new plugs in. This is going to be the third set of plugs in a week. Are you sure I can't just clean them off and dry them out? Seems like im wasting money on buying a new set everytime.
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I wouldn't risk it plugs will get saturated with fuel and ruin I've been throughout the same thing just get a cheap set and if you get it fixed then buy what's recommended for it
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try a little oil down the plug holes to seal those rings. sounds like you just had the firing order wrong and washed the cylinders
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I hope thats all. The car stalled out on me while driving. Stalled progrssivly. Started to misfire a little and then the car dropped rpm and eventually stalled. So I think there is an ignition issue happeneing and I just found the best troublshooting guide on ignition systems. So I hope to have this resolved tomorrow.

http://techauto.awardspace.com/ignition.html#flowchart

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