dc4g

Okay B18b1 engine, 90K miles on it,
got some seafoam did the vaccumhose route,
then when the engine started to stall and knock I ran into the car and shut it off because I had finished slowly adding the seafoam.
All of a sudden with the engine off smoke started bellowing out from under the front. It smelled like oil burning, anyhow after restarting the car and taking it for a drive, I come back and I still smell a faint oil burning. So I look down into the engine bay to find that somehow the seafoam or knocking deiseling that my engine was doing caused my oilban seal to fail and oil spurted out all over my exaust which caused the smoke. I just changed the oil the other day but This is fresh oil and its the oil that was smoking burning on the exaust after the KNOCK Idle stall.

Any comments? what happend? what kind of damage did I do?

Im wondering if I damaged something major. Ive never seen oil blowby the bottom pan of any engine.

Here are the pics








Thanks In advance.


Modified by dc4g at 9:50 PM 11/14/2005

hawjboi

hmmm...doesnt seem right but the conditions doo...when i seafoam my motor it always stalls but it doesnt die and after i'm done pouring what i need in there it'll just smoke, then i take it for a drive untill i cant see no more smoke from the exhaust and then change my oil from there...

djtony5

I would guess that there are minimal damage. I myself once made a mistake by not realizing that there are two rubber seal on my oil filter and it did not get a good seal. Drove for about 10 miles and oil were all underneath the car. Lost maybe 1 quart of oil and the car was fine.

dc4g

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hawjboi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hmmm...doesnt seem right but the conditions doo...when i seafoam my motor it always stalls but it doesnt die and after i'm done pouring what i need in there it'll just smoke, then i take it for a drive untill i cant see no more smoke from the exhaust and then change my oil from there...</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah the smoke was from the engine bay not teh exaust, and it was definatly oil burning on the B pipe or whatever where the exaust comes into 1 piece

I know its not the oil filter because it Started smoking only as the car sputtered and died.

dc4g

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by djtony5 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would guess that there are minimal damage. I myself once made a mistake by not realizing that there are two rubber seal on my oil filter and it did not get a good seal. Drove for about 10 miles and oil were all underneath the car. Lost maybe 1 quart of oil and the car was fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I also always check to make sure the rubber oil seal comes off and I also oil up the fresh seal on the filter. I used to work at a dealership doing oil changes.

Its definatly oil spurted out of the engine somewhere near the oilpan and sprayed on the exaust and the plastic piece in the pics.


What would cause this?

Lauj87

well form my understanding you have to drive your car hard after seafoaming it...did you drive your's hard?

dc4g

DROVE IT HARD, the smoke was caused like I said Something Blew oil out of my oilpan Somhow my oilpan became pressurized and caused oil to Explode out the gasket and onto the manifold and plastic, Thus causing bellowing smoke when the engine was OFF . I let it chill and took it for a drive. seems to run fine but WTF HOW DID OIL BLOW OUT OF MY OIL PAN?

Possibly could it be wet cylinder walls? causing some sort of downforce of air pressure in the oilpan? IM SO STUMPED PLEASE HELP THIS CAR IS MY BABY!

Response to Plauged DB7 = MY POST LIMIT IS REACHED read below

I seafoamed with fresh oil because Oil change was overdue and I put in 10-30 to hold me off for a week and allow the oil system to be cleaned sufficiently, I could care less if you think I didnt work at a dealership, I was only changing oil and working in the parts dept. anyhow its not where the oil came from but moreso WHY DID OIL SPRAY OUT OF MY BOTTOM END?
Oil pan gasket never leaked before seafoam


Modified by dc4g at 10:08 PM 11/14/2005

PLAGUED_DB7

I drove from Pomona to Montebello and I'm not sure where, but my oil cap came off the valve cover, and I lost pretty much all my oil. Dipstick didnt even register. I added 4 qts. and drove home. So far its been about 6 months and about 20k miles...

Built Honda Tuff

The best guess I have is that you had alot of build up and the pressure in your block went crazy, and you didnt tighten your oil filter right, and why would you see foam with fresh oil??? You should change your oil after you seafoam to check for wear... I doubt you worked at a dealership. Plus you got a big gash in your header. Something is not adding up in your story..

:Edit: YOU solved your own problem. Oil pan gasket was not sealing good. Simple as that. Replace it and live happy.

JoePSI

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:Edit: YOU solved your own problem. Oil pan gasket was not sealing good. Simple as that. Replace it and live happy. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly what i was about to say. Seafoam puts alot of stress on your engine. It ruined my distributor.

What happened with my car: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1350862

projectTeG

i still dont understand how people can blame a product on a problem the car already had coming...maybe it was a coincidence that it happen. also how fast did you pour the seafoam into the vacuum line? also that staining on the splash gaurd doesnt look like oil.

JoePSI

Not sure if that was aimed at me, but i dont blame the product. I blame myself. If you read my thread you will see why.

ITB

call down man. it looks like that tube thing you got(hose to intake) isnt plugged. sometimes oil squirts outta there which is why people put on the small filters

blackdelslo

1. WTF? you dont need to make your freakin car stall...
2. You probaly needed a new gasket anyways and the seafoam ate away at whatever was still holding it on.
3. If your car runs fine, revs, has power etc. How did you ruin your engine?

NightRiderS2K

Your car had major seal problems to begin with.

I can imagine SEAFOAM making it worse in that sense.

suspendedHatch

Pull your PCV valve out and shake it. Can you hear the little ball inside moving around, or is it plugged up? Spray it out with carb cleaner and shake it up real good until it's brand new.

Change the oil AFTER you put seafoam in it.

I personally don't buy the "drive hard" part. I'll take the RPMs up gradually getting on the freeway, get off the next exit, take the car home, change the oil, check the spark plugs after it's cooled down.

JoePSI

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NightRider-gsR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your car had major seal problems to begin with.

I can imagine SEAFOAM making it worse in that sense.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly, It just put more stress on it and caused it to finally break.

Danronian

seafoam might save alot of cars but from all the research I did there are tons of stories like this, no product should make your seals blow, ABSOLUTELY NONE

dc4g

IT caused oil to BLOW out my pan and spray on my exaust,

Dont seafoam your car the benifit is not worth the worn seals and lost compression

projectTeG

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc4g &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IT caused oil to BLOW out my pan and spray on my exaust,

Dont seafoam your car the benifit is not worth the worn seals and lost compression</TD></TR></TABLE>

and the misinformation continues. ive used this on my car numerous times along with many of my friends and we have had no illadverse affects. you just had a problem that came to a hault when you put stress on you engine my pumping the seafoam in to fast. where did you put it BTW?

dc4g

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

and the misinformation continues. ive used this on my car numerous times along with many of my friends and we have had no illadverse affects. you just had a problem that came to a hault when you put stress on you engine my pumping the seafoam in to fast. where did you put it BTW?</TD></TR></TABLE>

In the brake booster vaccum line, Through a tiny straw. I didnt put it in too quick. The car seems to be running fine now and not burning any oil. Im still wondering how oil shot out of my bottom end though ??????

Oh but My idle is now dropping down to as low as 250 and 450 RPM, Maybe I shall reset my ECU i really hope it fixes itself to PRE SEAFOAM status....
(*Places Hands together and prays to god*)

projectTeG

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc4g &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

In the brake booster vaccum line, Through a tiny straw. I didnt put it in too quick. The car seems to be running fine now and not burning any oil. Im still wondering how oil shot out of my bottom end though ??????

Oh but My idle is now dropping down to as low as 250 and 450 RPM, Maybe I shall reset my ECU i really hope it fixes itself to PRE SEAFOAM status *Places Hands together and prays to god*</TD></TR></TABLE>

the way you put the seafoam in it doesnt reach the oil at all....it goes throught the vacuum ports and into the combustion chambers. you sure you didnt spill any? because its petroleum based so it would kinda smell like burnt oil. i ran the stuff through my crankcase before i swaped my oilpan and had no problems.

dc4g

Im sure I didnt spill. It blew out the oil pan seal or something. What my theory is that the seafoam in the cyl caused super high compression and maybe backpressured oil out the bottom of my engine SOMEHOW. did you see the pics I put up top? My car has 90K and never leaked a drop of oil EVER. it doesnt seem to be leaking at the moment but Im pretty scared. Ive never seen oil blown oit the bottom of an engine.

THis is the front of the car right beneath the radiator. That is some of the oil that was blown out of my oil pan. From and how is why I made this post because I have no idea how and where it came out

projectTeG

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dc4g &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im sure I didnt spill. It blew out the oil pan seal or something. What my theory is that the seafoam in the cyl caused super high compression and maybe backpressured oil out the bottom of my engine SOMEHOW. did you see the pics I put up top? My car has 90K and never leaked a drop of oil EVER. it doesnt seem to be leaking at the moment but Im pretty scared. Ive never seen oil blown oit the bottom of an engine.

THis is the front of the car right beneath the radiator. That is some of the oil that was blown out of my oil pan. From and how is why I made this post because I have no idea how and where it came out


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if it blew out of the seal then the seal would still be leaking. i mean look at high boost set-up, they have huge amouts of cylinder pressure(more than what seafoam could cause... if it did) and they dont pop seals. how you dipstick was it out any? over filled the engine with oil? have you checked you crankshaft ventilation systems for problems yet?

something else is to blame.

dc4g

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by projectTeG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

if it blew out of the seal then the seal would still be leaking. i mean look at high boost set-up, they have huge amouts of cylinder pressure(more than what seafoam could cause... if it did) and they dont pop seals. how you dipstick was it out any? over filled the engine with oil? have you checked you crankshaft ventilation systems for problems yet?

something else is to blame.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good point it could be crankshaft ventillation or lack therof. The thing is my oil level is perfect. Ive been working on cars 4 a while It could have been the dipstick but the dipstick is and was in firmly. Oil cap was on tight everything was legit. This is why Im trippn.

What in gods name would cause oil to Explode oil the bottom of the engine For only a moment That particular moment happend to be right as I finished sucking the seafoam out of the cup. and as the car studdered and When I turned off the ignition I walk back to the front of the car to see smoking from the frontside of the block. I knew it wasnt good but I let it set for 10 min and then took it for a spirited drive.

Average Al

maybe your gasket is leaking and u jsut notice as your doing your seafoam

ONLY bad side of using seafoam is IF your engine has MASS carbon and u remove all that carbon and then it might smoke if your ***** wore down alot

i dont see how it would pressurize your bottom end and blow out your seals