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Which OE replacement clutch would you guys get? I am looking for one that engages smoothly, quietly and has nice feedback. I've driven some that grabs hard, jolts and makes a pop noise when the clutch is released and that is not what i want. I am going to pair it with either a competition or act 12lb flywheel.

Competition OE replacement. What are you thoughts on this? I can't find any reviews on this.

Exedy OE replacement. Ive driven one that is incredibly soft and engages high. Reviews seem to confirm this too.

Are there any other's you suggest? My budget for a clutch kit is about $150
Thanks

wunfstgsr

Stay away from Competition clutch. Exedy all the way hands down no questions asked. Ive had many many clutches, Hate CC, and Exedy OE replacment is a great choice! even the stage 1 is great too. Dont forget to resurface the flywheel or get a new one while your at it.

TheShodan

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Agreed with all those above.. HONDA use Daiken Clutch, so does EXEDY..

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Thanks for the feedback. I think i'll just get an exedy oe replacement. Anyone have experience with the exedy throw out bearing's longevity? Should i just buy an oem throw out bearing?

wunfstgsr

OEM is fine!

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did you mean exedy is fine?'

TheShodan

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EXEDY IS FINE . WHICH USES THE SAME THROWOUT AS HONDA OEM..

Stop overthinking.

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That's not true at all.

Exedy OEM replacement doesn't use the same bearing as OEM. The stock clutch system is made by Exedy...but dealer/Honda spec Exedy is different than aftermarket replacement "OEM spec" Exedy.

For the B series, the Exedy OEM replacement Exedy clutch seems to work great. Honda genuine bearings are DEFINITELY better...but I've never had a Exedy replacement bearing fail.

If you wanted to be totally safe, you'd get a Honda bearing set. But a B series clutch replacement is easy enough that I'd risk using the aftermarket bearings first, if it were me.

If you would like to absolutely not open the trans again until a very long time, then don't risk it. Buy a Honda bearing set...and buy a Honda clutch disk (the aftermarket pressure plate is fine).

I would, however, highly recommend Honda Polyurea grease over other types of grease for clutch parts.

Again...not to complicate things too much. I've never had a Exedy stock replacement clutch or bearings actually fail in a B series...even with *light* track use. It seems like they work fine on B/D/H series cars.

B serious

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BTW, a properly adjusted clutch in a Honda is supposed to engage high. And with the hydraulic advantage, its supposed to be soft.

Why on earth would you want a hard clutch that engages at the bottom? For you to be miserable?

hondatuner020

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my exedy oem replacement from rockauto.com for my b18c turned into a rattle trap after 400 miles


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Ive always had good experiences with exedy oem replacements prior to this though.


I went and shook the old burnt out oem honda exedy clutch that came with my swap from hmotors and it was silent

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Rattling springs is, unfortunately, something that might occur with Exedy or any aftermarket clutch. While, most of the time, the Exedy replacements are fine (B/D series), the only SURE bet (for a stock type clutch) is a genuine Honda clutch disk and bearings.

FWIW, Honda started moving away from Exedy since 1999. In fact, I believe I remember my 01 GSR's clutch being a FCC clutch. FCC is what honda uses on current cars, IIRC. S2000's and K series cars all use FCC's.

For the *most* part, engines that were manufactured with Exedy clutches from Honda will do well with Exedy aftermarket replacements.

TheShodan

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Both OEM and Exedy use their pressure plates and disk from Daiken Clutch Ltd. We still use the same OEM grease with the Exedy throwout as you would the Honda OEM throwout, which , correct, may be of OEM "spec", but considering they're both from Daiken clutch LTD Japan, its 6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other when boiled down.

I've used Exedy and OEM Honda clutches for over 20 years in all my hondas both OEM and aftermarket., and I still use the same procedures as though it were OEM. The only other company I trust for anything close to Exedy is clutchmasters.

EnjoyTheRideDC2

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Honda changed it's supplier of manual clutch components as a cost measure, not because the Daikin Clutch Co./Exedy wasn't producing parts that were up to standard. FCC already produced components for their Automatic driveline, CVT driveline and motorcycle division before becoming their overall clutch manufacturer. They simply offered to do the work for less money than Daikin/Exedy.

The main reason why you cant receive the exact same clutch disc as OEM from a company that produces their parts is due to their agreement. It would be difficult to structure pricing for the exact same item sold under both Exedy and Honda name plates. So the Exedy branded version has a slight difference in overall design. That doesn't make the disc made for Honda superior to the one found in an Exedy kit.

Throw an FCC clutch in a 94 GSR and an Exedy made version in a 01 GSR, there wouldn't be any difference in longevity or quality. It's just a difference in manufacturer, it doesn't mean anything else. Purchasing an OEM disc and bearings provide no "sure bet" when it comes time to service a clutch even to stock spec.

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The reason I mentioned that Honda went away from Exedy is because of my earlier statement where I said something like "Exedy OEM replacements work well for engines that originally had Exedy manufactured clutches on them". I said that for the D/B/H series engines, you're *probably* fine with the Exedy replacement, and that there are very few reported issues with B/D/H series engines with Exedy OEM replacements....but the only SURE bet is a genuine honda clutch.

On the other side of that statement...engines that never had Exedy manufactured clutches on them (K series/ S2000 F series, for example) don't consistently do well with Exedy replacement clutches. Personally, I've never had an issue. I install things meticulously and I know how to drive. But....people with S2000's have widespread issues with using Exedy clutches. The S2000 version F series never had an Exedy manufactured clutch from the factory.

I am an engineer for an original manufacturer. I know how this stuff works. Honda's design is proprietary. Exedy may have learned a thing or two about making B/D/H series clutches because they were the vendor/manufacturer for those clutches. HOWEVER...they don't use the same techniques or specs that Honda uses...and Honda may have sourced individual parts for the clutches from elsewhere and just had Exedy install them.

For example...Honda may have spec'd out a proprietary spring from a 3rd party vendor because they didn't find anything that Exedy had to be satisfactory. When Exedy manufactures their own aftermarket replacement, they may or may not have information on that particular spring. They may find a suitable replacement that they have researched, or try to find a spring from another vendor that closely matches Honda's specs.

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You're assuming that Honda picked out an off-the-shelf bearing that was on the racks at Exedy. This is not necessarily true.

No, they are not the same bearing. Absolutely not even close in quality.

I believe the bearings in Exedy replacement clutches are made by NTK? NTK is a reputable bearing supplier (I have worked with NTK to spec bearings for a design). Even if they are made by the same supplier...doesn't mean that they're the same bearing.

Think about it this way. There are different grades of things from the same manufacturer. If you went to NAPA, you could buy 3 or 4 different grades of brake pads that are being sold as "NAPA" brand. You can buy a Civic CX, DX, LX, EX, or Si. All with different specs. All Civics. Just because both parts were made by NTK, doesn't mean they're the same grade or quality.

Same with the disks. What if Honda spec'd their own friction material surface, composition, dampers, dimensions, spring types, etc etc etc. Honda could have also sourced components from ANYWHERE and asked Daikin clutch to simply assemble them.

I'm not saying this is NECESSARILY the case. My point is that there can be a definite difference between Honda actual OE spec parts and a vendor's OE replacement parts.

Manufacturer chains and agreements can be complicated to explain. My main point is that your assumption that it's all the same is incorrect.

In the case of clutches...the Honda genuine units are FOR SURE better than their aftermarket counterparts.

As I've said before; I've never had an ISSUE (street use) with Exedy OE replacement clutches on B series cars. But the Honda genuine (manufactured by Exedy for Honda's specfied specs) clutch set is 100% for sure, undeniably different, and better quality than a OE replacement sold by Exedy aftermarket.

TheShodan

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I'm just an hour away from Exedy headquarters in Michigan, with a representative I've known for about 10 years running that part of the department. If he's lying, its the first I've heard about it.

Either way, is the point to nick-pick, or to say that its ok to use the Exedy vs. OEM for the person's use?

I'll let you settle it for yourself, so you can have the last word.. Thanks for playing.

B serious

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?? Not sure why it had to turn into a "last word" thing. OP isn't interested anymore anyway.

And I said I'd recommend the Exedy. But your assumption that its necessarily the same as a Honda genuine clutch is incorrect.

94eg!

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The OEM Honda clutch disc & pressure plate for these generations are made by Fuji (also called FCC for Fuji Chemical Company). You can buy either part separately in a Fuji box for less than the same part in a Honda box. They are pretty easy to find on google, ebay or Amazon, and many times require your exact engine serial number.

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I found some Fuji clutches and pressure plates and they are just as expensive as from acura. I think i'll just get myself an exedy replacement.

94eg!

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From everything I've researched, the Exedy OEM replacment kit + an OEM Honda release bearing is the cheapest way to go while maintaining quality. The Exedy OEM kit uses a less than stellar release bearing.

v4lu3s

Exedy/Daikin is great and so is Competition Clutch.
I have used CC clutches in stock to 400ish hp street driven cars without an issue. They are affordable, and their warranty customer service is amazing.
I am currently using an Exedy OE replacement in a 12:1 street driven d16a6 crx without issues as well.

If it was me I would go with whichever is cheaper. With the throwout bearing the only one I have had issues with since my first Honda in the 1990s was the ACT bearing, the oem, the exedy and the ones that come with CC and Clutchmasters kits have all lasted a long time for me.

94eg!

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What do you consider "a long time"? 5 years...25 years...

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Do you guys know who makes Exedy's throw out bearing?

Looks like Koyo Seiko make's acuras. I see those on ebay for about 25 and acura charges 55

My 01 integra has 173k miles on the original drivetrain. It does not slip but occasionally, the clutch would grab abnormally low causing me to almost stall. It's weird. Anyone know why this happens? But my rain reason for upgrading the clutch is to put on a lighter flywheel ACT Streetlite 12lb.

Does the A-pipe need to be removed to change the clutch? Ive seen one diy require it and one didnt.

94eg!

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The Koyo 22810PX5J02 bearing appears to be for the LS/GS/RS models. The VTEC models use 22810P21003 by Fujikoshi (also known as Nachi). P21 version must be better for some reason. Nachi part# is NP-55SCRN41P-6 and costs about $40 shipped on amazon, ebay and google. They also call it "OEM Part# 22810-P21-0030" which has an extra zero at the end for some reason.

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If your clutch engages near the floorboard, you should first bleed your hydraulic system and inspect it for leaks.

After that, you have to set your pedal freeplay. Freeplay should be about 1/4". You can adjust in a bit more or less to find the engagement position that you like.

Do not go past the "0" freeplay range or you will wear the clutch very quickly. After the 0 point, there's a chance of the hydraulics always pushing on the clutch.

I believe Nachi makes the replacement exedy bearing also, come to think of it (I said NTK before). Probably a different manufacturer PN than the original Honda bearing.

Try bernardiparts.com if you want a discounted rate on a Honda labeled bearing. Though....their shipping rates are out of control, so you may end up saving nothing.

I wouldn't over think this if the car is just going to see regular street use. I've used the bearing that came with the kit for years and years without issue. I've only had one bearing from an Exedy kit start to make noise. It was on a K series...and the "tech" that installed it used anti sieze to lube the sliding surface. The pedal was very hard to move, and the clutch engaged slower and slower as the anti sieze turned into cement. So...that likely contributed to it. I had to re-open it all up, replace the bearing, sand down the scored up bearing guide sleeve, and use HT Urea grease to fix it.