nology hotwires
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nology hotwires
hi guys, i just installed a set of nology hotwires on my car, can't really notice a difference, but just wondering if anyone else has tried them and what their experiences were...
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a lot of times you wont notice much of a difference by just putting on different wires. but i never have tried the nology ones. i always stick to the sumitomo or ngk oem brand.
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Re: nology hotwires (LoseRPunKx182)
even if they've tried them, its a garantuee that they didnt feel any difference, i bought the neuspeed wires in my ricer stage and went to ngk.
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Re: nology hotwires (DARKTEG_)
Aren't those like 200$+ ? Return em for some NGKs if you didn't notice a difference. I have a hard time believing that SP wires with a built-in capacitor are a smart idea, if they were, car manufacturers would have caught on to it by now.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by skunked »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nology wires are trash, return them if you can.
Put you're money where it counts.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree. You probably lost power.
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I agree. You probably lost power.
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Re: nology hotwires (DARKTEG_)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DARKTEG_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would you lose power? They are rated to be the best you can buy...?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Sorry man, they are junk. You wasted a bunch of money. Wherever you are getting your tuning advice, you should probably not get it there anymore.
If you would have searched before you bought them, you would have stumbled across these threads all labeling them as trash:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1744684
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1531322
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1401428
Modified by Dartanian at 8:35 PM 10/7/2006
Sorry man, they are junk. You wasted a bunch of money. Wherever you are getting your tuning advice, you should probably not get it there anymore.
If you would have searched before you bought them, you would have stumbled across these threads all labeling them as trash:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1744684
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1531322
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1401428
Modified by Dartanian at 8:35 PM 10/7/2006
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Re: nology hotwires (Dartanian)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dartanian »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Sorry man, they are junk. You wasted a bunch of money. Wherever you are getting your tuning advice, you should probably not get it there anymore.</TD></TR></TABLE>of these?
most of my info comes from the guys that run the local dyno shop, mechanics, and tuning magazines... and if your not any of these i can't see me trusting you over all these people that do this all day for a living...
Sorry man, they are junk. You wasted a bunch of money. Wherever you are getting your tuning advice, you should probably not get it there anymore.</TD></TR></TABLE>of these?
most of my info comes from the guys that run the local dyno shop, mechanics, and tuning magazines... and if your not any of these i can't see me trusting you over all these people that do this all day for a living...
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Originally Posted by [url
www.magnecor.com[/url]]The most notable of exaggerated claims for ignition wires are made by Nology, a recent manufacturer of ignition wires promoted as "the only spark plug wires with built-in capacitor." Nology's "HotWires" (called "Plasma Leads" in the UK) consist of unsuppressed solid metal or spiral conductor ignition wires over which braided metal sleeves are partially fitted. The braided metal sleeves are grounded via straps formed from part of the braiding. Insulating covers are fitted over the braided metal sleeves. These wires are well constructed. For whatever reason, Nology specifies that non-resistor spark plugs need to be used with their "HotWires." In a demonstration, the use of resistor plugs nullifies the visual effect of the brighter spark.
Ignition wires with grounded braided metal sleeves over the cable have come and gone all over the world for (at least) the last 30 years, and similar wires were used over 20 years ago by a few car makers to solve cross-firing problems on early fuel injected engines and RFI problems on fiberglass bodied cars — only to find other problems were created. The recent Circle Track Magazine (USA, May, 1996 issue) test showed Nology "HotWires" produced no additional horsepower (the test actually showed a 10 horsepower decrease when compared to stock carbon conductor wires).
The perceived effect a brighter spark, conducted by an ignition wire, encased or partially encased in a braided metal sleeve (shield) grounded to the engine, jumping across a huge free-air gap (which bears no relationship to the spark needed to fire the variable air/fuel mixture under pressure in a combustion chamber) is continually being re-discovered and cleverly demonstrated by marketers who convince themselves there's monetary value in such a bright spark, and all sorts of wild, completely un-provable claims are made for this phenomena.
Like many in the past, Nology cleverly demonstrates a brighter free-air spark containing useless flash-over created by the crude "capacitor" (effect) of this style of wire. In reality, the bright spark has no more useful energy to fire a variable compressed air/fuel mixture than the clean spark you would see in a similar demonstration using any good carbon conductor wire. What is happening in such a demonstration is the coil output is being unnecessarily boosted to additionally supply spark energy that is induced (and wasted) into the grounded braided metal sleeve around the ignition wire's jacket. To test the validity of this statement, ask the demonstrator to disconnect the ground strap and observe just how much energy is sparking to ground.
Claims by Nology of their "HotWires" creating sparks that are "300 times more powerful," reaching temperatures of "100,000 to 150,000 degrees F" (more than enough to melt spark plug electrodes), spark durations of "4 billionths of a second" (spark duration is controlled by the ignition system itself) and currents of "1,000 amperes" magically evolving in "capacitors" allegedly "built-in" to the ignition wires are as ridiculous as the data and the depiction of sparks in photographs used in advertising material and the price asked for these wires! Most stock ignition primaries are regulated to 6 amperes and the most powerful race ignition to no more than 40 amperes at 12,000 RPM.
It is common knowledge amongst automotive electrical engineers that it is unwise to use ignition wires fitted with grounded braided metal sleeves fitted over ignition cable jackets on an automobile engine. This type of ignition wires forces its cable jackets to become an unsuitable dielectric for a crude capacitor (effect) between the conductor and the braided metal sleeves. While the wires function normally when first fitted, the cable jackets soon break down as a dielectric, and progressively more spark energy is induced from the conductors (though the cable jackets) into the grounded metal sleeves, causing the ignition coil to unnecessarily output more energy to fire both the spark plug gaps and the additional energy lost via the braided metal sleeves. Often this situation leads to ignition coil and control unit overload failures. It should be noted that it is dangerous to use these wires if not grounded to the engine, as the grounding straps will be alive with thousands of volts wanting to ground-out to anything (or body) nearby.
Unless you are prepared to accept poorly suppressed ignition wires that fail sooner than any other type of ignition wires and stretch your ignition system to the limit, and have an engine with no electronic management system and/or exhaust emission controls, it's best not to be influenced by the exaggerated claims, and some vested-interest journalists', resellers' and installers' perception an engine has more power after Nology wires are fitted. Often, after replacing deteriorated wires, any new ignition wires make an engine run better.
Ignition wires with grounded braided metal sleeves over the cable have come and gone all over the world for (at least) the last 30 years, and similar wires were used over 20 years ago by a few car makers to solve cross-firing problems on early fuel injected engines and RFI problems on fiberglass bodied cars — only to find other problems were created. The recent Circle Track Magazine (USA, May, 1996 issue) test showed Nology "HotWires" produced no additional horsepower (the test actually showed a 10 horsepower decrease when compared to stock carbon conductor wires).
The perceived effect a brighter spark, conducted by an ignition wire, encased or partially encased in a braided metal sleeve (shield) grounded to the engine, jumping across a huge free-air gap (which bears no relationship to the spark needed to fire the variable air/fuel mixture under pressure in a combustion chamber) is continually being re-discovered and cleverly demonstrated by marketers who convince themselves there's monetary value in such a bright spark, and all sorts of wild, completely un-provable claims are made for this phenomena.
Like many in the past, Nology cleverly demonstrates a brighter free-air spark containing useless flash-over created by the crude "capacitor" (effect) of this style of wire. In reality, the bright spark has no more useful energy to fire a variable compressed air/fuel mixture than the clean spark you would see in a similar demonstration using any good carbon conductor wire. What is happening in such a demonstration is the coil output is being unnecessarily boosted to additionally supply spark energy that is induced (and wasted) into the grounded braided metal sleeve around the ignition wire's jacket. To test the validity of this statement, ask the demonstrator to disconnect the ground strap and observe just how much energy is sparking to ground.
Claims by Nology of their "HotWires" creating sparks that are "300 times more powerful," reaching temperatures of "100,000 to 150,000 degrees F" (more than enough to melt spark plug electrodes), spark durations of "4 billionths of a second" (spark duration is controlled by the ignition system itself) and currents of "1,000 amperes" magically evolving in "capacitors" allegedly "built-in" to the ignition wires are as ridiculous as the data and the depiction of sparks in photographs used in advertising material and the price asked for these wires! Most stock ignition primaries are regulated to 6 amperes and the most powerful race ignition to no more than 40 amperes at 12,000 RPM.
It is common knowledge amongst automotive electrical engineers that it is unwise to use ignition wires fitted with grounded braided metal sleeves fitted over ignition cable jackets on an automobile engine. This type of ignition wires forces its cable jackets to become an unsuitable dielectric for a crude capacitor (effect) between the conductor and the braided metal sleeves. While the wires function normally when first fitted, the cable jackets soon break down as a dielectric, and progressively more spark energy is induced from the conductors (though the cable jackets) into the grounded metal sleeves, causing the ignition coil to unnecessarily output more energy to fire both the spark plug gaps and the additional energy lost via the braided metal sleeves. Often this situation leads to ignition coil and control unit overload failures. It should be noted that it is dangerous to use these wires if not grounded to the engine, as the grounding straps will be alive with thousands of volts wanting to ground-out to anything (or body) nearby.
Unless you are prepared to accept poorly suppressed ignition wires that fail sooner than any other type of ignition wires and stretch your ignition system to the limit, and have an engine with no electronic management system and/or exhaust emission controls, it's best not to be influenced by the exaggerated claims, and some vested-interest journalists', resellers' and installers' perception an engine has more power after Nology wires are fitted. Often, after replacing deteriorated wires, any new ignition wires make an engine run better.
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even if they don't do anything, i can't see them decreasing my horsepower... at least they look sweet under my hood, ha ha
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DARKTEG_ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">even if they don't do anything, i can't see them decreasing my horsepower... at least they look sweet under my hood, ha ha
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1774636</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm glad you think they "look sweet" because they're trash. Been there, done that.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1774636</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm glad you think they "look sweet" because they're trash. Been there, done that.
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does hot wires are a waste of money i bought them then felt stupid there too over rated they do the same job as ngk's do the difference is felt with an mds if ur tryng to improve ignition.
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I did some research on these wires a few years back because I managed to get a set of these puppies for free.
I came to find out that they are basically junk. Your best bet is to run a NGK wires and just leave it alone at that. I remember seeing alot of horror stories as well from tuners about spark issues with them as well.
Now on the other hand.... I was just reading a thread today on k20a.org about modifying your coilpacks on the k series engines to where they have a ground. This was dyno proven and made gains of 5whp but like stated in the article, 5whp gains could have been due to a number of issues...
Anyhow... NGK
I came to find out that they are basically junk. Your best bet is to run a NGK wires and just leave it alone at that. I remember seeing alot of horror stories as well from tuners about spark issues with them as well.
Now on the other hand.... I was just reading a thread today on k20a.org about modifying your coilpacks on the k series engines to where they have a ground. This was dyno proven and made gains of 5whp but like stated in the article, 5whp gains could have been due to a number of issues...
Anyhow... NGK
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18CYAAA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks good, did you build it yourself?
psst.. 98+</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes i did, i bought it completely bone stock from an older lady last year, everything that is done to it is because i did it, i'm very proud of it. Even though some people on here don't seem to like it too much...
psst.. 98+</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes i did, i bought it completely bone stock from an older lady last year, everything that is done to it is because i did it, i'm very proud of it. Even though some people on here don't seem to like it too much...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NO-NAME »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">does hot wires are a waste of money i bought them then felt stupid there too over rated they do the same job as ngk's do the difference is felt with an mds if ur tryng to improve ignition. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The OEM ignition is far superior than a MSD box. There is no need to upgrade ignition components unless you're pushing some serious power.
The OEM ignition is far superior than a MSD box. There is no need to upgrade ignition components unless you're pushing some serious power.