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Alright, I done a couple quick searches and seems what I did was correct, but someone please filll me in if i am misinformed.
I have a '94 integra rs and I have swapped what i believe is a 98+ usdm itr cluster..
I took the film off of my 94 rs cluster and installed it into the itr cluster.. everything works except for the fuel gauge.. which is odd, is the fuel gauge on a different pin for the generations of integra's or what?
I don't think so, usually you use the film that the cars cluster came with so your ok on that. your obd2a and so is the 98 spec R, I suspect the fuel gauge to be faulty on the ITR cluster, bust out a Multi meter and test out the gauge on the cluster, double check the back of the film to see if all the contacts are flat on the green film. Have you tried using the orig R green film just for hecks sake?
Different pin out. You have to switch a couple of wires around. I've used an older cluster in a newer car...or vice versa...you have to re-pin one of the connectors. The details are foggy. I just used a wiring diagram and traced the lines on the back of the cluster.
I had no idea they were different until I looked at the wiring diagram/lines on the back of the printed cluster placard.
Your fuel gauge won't work and I believe that your ABS or SRS light will malfunction. I remember there being 2 or 3 things that were not working properly.
cant you swap the gauge over its self? I could swear I heard of ppl doing that, I have an itr one in my but i'm switching dash harness I hope I don't lose my gas gauge.
The wiring in the dash for a 94-97 is different than that of a 98-01. The clusters are laid out differently. Some of the warning lights are in different spots and the fuel gauge wiring pin is different. You just need to switch some pins around so that the wires go to the correct "ribbon" on that placard/backing.
If you put a 98+ cluster in a 94-97, you will have to re-pin it just like you would if you did what the OP did.
I mis-read what the OP did when I originally read the post. If OP just switched out the printed placard/backing....I'm not sure he can make everything work out. I guess looking at a wiring diagram is worth a shot, though.
looking at the diagram in the back of the cluster, it looks like on 98+ the fuel signal wire is at pin b1, and on 94-97 it is on b3. try moving the pin over?
Originally I took the film off of my 94 integra RS cluster and swapped it over onto the Type R cluster... the fuel gauge didn't work
Today we looked in the harness and there is a red/blue wire in b1 (seat belt) and a yellow/white wire in b3 (fuel gauge), we removed the wire out of b1 and plugged the yellow/white wire into b1 and left b3 out... plugged the cluster in and the fuel gauge still didn't work.
Next step -
I switched the type R gauges into my 94 integra RS cluster housing and installed the 94 integra rs film back on it's factory gauge cluster, plugged the cluster in and again the fuel gauge is still not working.
Or...using the ribbon you currently have, measure voltage at the screw head for the fuel gauge. Do you have power and ground? Trace the ribbon back to which pins it relates to. Are those correctly placed?
Did you remember to replace the yellow/white and red/blue wires back into their proper locations before you reconnected your old cluster housing/ITR gauge setup?
Just for process of elimination, I removed the ITR fuel gauge and installed the OEM integra RS fuel gauge.. I plugged the cluster in and the fuel gauge works.
Basically the guy sold me a ITR cluster that wasn't fully functional.
Now.. I'm wondering if there is some sort of way to fix this fuel gauge or buy a JDM ITR gauge cluster from a reputable person (hmotorsonline) and remove the speedometer and green needle and install my US ITR speedometer with the JDM ITR green needle?
I'm pissed and up for suggestions..
The whole reason i bought the US ITR Cluster is because i wanted to read MPH and i needed the tach as well.
I was thinking about this and decided i would give it a shot, if i broke something, it broke.. no big deal... BUT i was able to very carefully removed the needle off of the working integra RS fuel gauge (huge pain in the *** removing this needle).. then very carefully removed the gauge cover.
I done the same to the ITR gauge and swapped the ITR needle and the ITR cover over onto the integra rs fuel gauge... and it works.
My only concern is accuracy... With the cluster unplugged i slowly moved the fuel gauge to empty to make sure it would read properly.. I plugged in the cluster and the needle slowly rised up reading slighly under a half a tank (which i believe what it should be)
Just run to the gas station and fill your tank up. Start your car, Wait a few minutes, then reinstall the needle at the fill mark.
This is assuming you drove to the gas station without the clear plastic shield installed yet...
I wish i could, the car hasn't been drove in nearly 3 years.. the engine has 0 miles on it, this is the first time is has been started in a LONG time.. just fixing all the small issues at this point (see build thread)
i have already installed the plastic piece back on, but if for some reason i don't think it's accurate i will do that.
gives me hope for when I have to deal with my 96 harness in my 98 tegg with an ITR cluster so how do you remove the needle? I remember trying way back on my civic but was scared to brake it.
gives me hope for when I have to deal with my 96 harness in my 98 tegg with an ITR cluster so how do you remove the needle? I remember trying way back on my civic but was scared to brake it.
To be honest.. the needle popped right off fairly easy on the ITR cluster, but when i got to the RS gauge, i have a butane soldering iron with a tiny tip.. i stuck it in there and got it warm (almost melted a little) and used a precision screwdriver and popped it out of there.
I had nothing to lose as far as breaking ****, i was already considering ordering another cluster, but this just so happen to work out.
So you will have a obd1 harness in a obd2 car? Depends on which cluster you are going to use
The butane soldering iron is unnecessary. You just need to pry up from the center of the needle with something that will deliver even pressure on each side. I use a precision needle nose plier like this...
gives me hope for when I have to deal with my 96 harness in my 98 tegg with an ITR cluster so how do you remove the needle? I remember trying way back on my civic but was scared to brake it.
Hope for what? A 96 harness running a 98-up ITR cluster? Its just 5 wires that need to be moved to different locations on the plugs. 4 wires get switched around on the 16 pin plug, and de-pin the ABS light wire on the yellow 5 pin and move it to the proper location on the 16 pin.
Hope for what? A 96 harness running a 98-up ITR cluster? Its just 5 wires that need to be moved to different locations on the plugs. 4 wires get switched around on the 16 pin plug, and de-pin the ABS light wire on the yellow 5 pin and move it to the proper location on the 16 pin.
well imma make a thread about it then I have the harness on my desk right now.
01-21-2015, 01:40 PM
ITR Gauge cluster issue/fuel gauge.. STUMPED! *Resolved*
