ramboPandA

Which one would be better for a stiffer and quicker response feeling? And what do you think has the better quality? Is there any big diferences between the 2?

B_Swapped93

energy is complete crap I was dumb last year and bought that whole kit they sell used up every one other then the shock bushing and LCA ones. worst ride ever just sloppy and didn't feel responsive like my older OEM ones did, with that said i then made the jump to spherical disregard that as an option it's not practical on a street car. Hardrace wins out every time for me it's either OEM Honda or Kingpin spherical I skip the entry level stuff when it comes to suspension.

ramboPandA

So you recommend this over the ES?

Hardrace Hard Rubber Bushing Set - 97-01 Integra Type-R - JDM Honda Parts USA

and also what is a compliance bushing? never heard of it

and also

what is the difference between GSR vs ITR Lca? is there even any?

B_Swapped93

yes 100% most ppl do aside from ppl who think it hardens the ride or improves it some how, it goes at the end of you front lower arm...you'll see it. yes there is for the rear lca google itr lca then google integra lca you'll see what I mean.

B serious

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^english?

He's right, though.

Polyurethane is the WRONG material to use for load bearing bushings or pivoting bushings. I would recommend against the energy or...any poly kit.

They wear out quickly, the ride quality is garbage, and bushings are not something you want to do twice (or even once. **** sucks).

Hard rubber is a very good material for bushings. Its more durable and more compliant.

Rubber bushings have to be installed very carefully and methodically for them to last. But once they're correctly installed, they'll last a very long time.

You have to clock rubber bushings and make sure to install them in the correct orientation where needed.

MotorMouth93

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Go with the Hard Race bushings, but unbolt your suspension and have a shop do the press work. Unless you have a 20+ ton press laying around, you won't be able to do them yourself.

rollinmyda

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My 12 ton press dealt with all my bushings just fine. It's not as much work as people make it out to be. Not to mention the press pays for itself in one round of bushings when you consider paying someone else to do it.

EnjoyTheRideDC2

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Very True...Cant agree with this post more.

EnjoyTheRideDC2

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If you're looking for comfort, just stick to OEM replacement rubber bushings. If you need something stiffer, go with hardrace.

Polyurethane bushings need to be constantly lubricated, squeak and bind when you least expect it, are outdated, and not worth the hassle.

B serious

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Presses work nicely, and are worth the money if you're looking to do this. But you'll need all the right cups and plates. Plus, you'll want to be careful not to knock your teeth out via a cup that wobbled sideways.

Taking the parts off the car and putting them back on is fairly straightforward....but ultimately unpleasant.

More unpleasant if the car has been driven in salt.

I wouldn't underestimate or oversell the task. **** sucks. I'd want to do this ONCE at max. People that have a casual attitude towards it when they haven't done the task yet say things like "if these energy bushings wear out in a year, I'll just replace them again NBD OMG BRO BBQ".

That bold initial attitude turns into "if I have to do this **** again, I'm going to sell the car or push it off a cliff".

thats why I made my comment of "do it one time. **** sucks".

EnjoyTheRideDC2

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The work is only as hard as you make it to be.

Air/power tools, a wide assortment of hand tools, ample space, and a good working environment can make a job like this a breeze. I understand that such are not accessble to everyone, but thats the difference between "**** sucking" and a casual bushing replacement.

B serious

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I own lots of power tools, a bigass air compressor, bigass air tools, and work on cars all the time.

**** sucks.

rollinmyda

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It may not be your favorite task to perform but the outcome is worth the effort IMO. And if you choose quality hard rubber (OEM/Hardrace) you shouldn't have to do it more than once. Not frequently anyway. If you're ruining hardened rubber bushings quickly you're installing them wrong. I think we're all in agreement about rubber vs poly.

Cliffs for this thread for OP
-use rubber bushings not poly
-follow clocking/torque specs while installing
-get an alignment immediately after completion

B serious

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I already said all of that.

Nobody understands me :'(

rollinmyda

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Seemed like you were trying to discourage him with all the...

I was just adding my opinion that it's not very difficult at all, along with agreeing that rubber bushings installed correctly are the best choice for him. Not trying to say I discovered bushing replacement or something. Too many people are afraid to replace their bushings because they think it's some hellish experience when in reality it's not.

I'm sure the OP appreciated your detailed info.

B serious

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I'm just saying. I would want to buy quality (Honda genuine or Hardrace) rubber bushings and install them perfectly in order to do it only ONE time.