confucius

i just bought 4 tires and all of them look like they are for my left wheel.

all four threads on the tires look the same and all says "inside" on the same sides.

shouldnt i get two tires for the left and two tires for the right?




Modified by confucius at 10:22 PM 9/8/2004

shorto85

What kind of tires are they? Pics?

dFreezy

some tires are directional and should only spin certain directions depending on how the tread is oriented, so yes, there can be a difference

confucius

they are NITTO neo gen



this sucks, i have to drive all the way back to Long Beach.

Thosee dumb azzz workers should know better.

dFreezy

are they on your car right now? eeeeek! i had a problem with a tire place mounting them in the wrong direction once also, just make sure they fix that free of charge for their ignorance

shamoo

Umm.....

I'm having a hard time understanding what you mean. As was said, some tires can be directional. But all 4 of them will still be the same tire. You just have to mount them on the rim according to where the rim will be on the car.

For example...
Make sure the tires are oriented like so:

O O <---front of car

O O <---rear of car

Just make sure the "inside" label is facing inside on each tire. And also make sure (IF THE TIRE IS DIRECTIONAL), that they are facing the right direction. The tread pattern is the same.

confucius

don't know, the label on the tires say rotation is going----->

but, in order for the rotation to go that way, i have flip the tires around. which mean the (inside) thread will be facing outside.

but i talked to this man at the tire shop and he says, who cares what the label says, as long as the inside is facing inside and outside is facing outside.

t0p_sh0tta

You have asymmetrical tires. You should have two for the left side and two for the right side.

It sounds to me like you have four of the same tires.

njandrewg

if u turn the tire around u'll see inside again no?

bert039

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't know, the label on the tires say rotation is going-----&gt;

but, in order for the rotation to go that way, i have flip the tires around. which mean the (inside) thread will be facing outside.

but i talked to this man at the tire shop and he says, who cares what the label says, as long as the inside is facing inside and outside is facing outside.

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I recently helped my friend put on these same tires and I noticed the same exact thing. However I never saw the "rotation --&gt;" label that you normally see on directional tires, so we just said F* it. But then again this was at 10pm so we might have missed it. If you saw that there is a rotation arrow then yea for sure you and my friend got jacked.

JimBlake

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... but i talked to this man at the tire shop and he says, who cares what the label says...</TD></TR></TABLE>Sounds like he just doesn't want to deal with the problem. If he ignores you maybe the problem will go away...

Directional tires have a marking like "ROTATION ==&gt;".
Asymmetric tires have a marking like "INSIDE" & "OUTSIDE".

I don't know about NITTO neo gen tires, but there aren't many tires that are both directional AND asymmetric. If they are, then there DEFINITELY has to be different tires for right & left side of the car.

t0p_sh0tta

If a tire is asymmetrical it is automatically directional. As I said before, you have 4 of the same tires. All of the dismounting and remounting in the world will not solve your problem. You need two more of the correct tires.

JimBlake

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by t0p_sh0tta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If a tire is asymmetrical it is automatically directional...</TD></TR></TABLE>Nope. I've got Dunlop Sport A2 tires for winter, they're asymmetrical but NOT directional. They're marked "inside" & "outside" but no rotation arrows.

I've also got Conti ExtremeContact & Potenza RE950 tires on other cars. They're directional but NOT asymmetric.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by t0p_sh0tta &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... All of the dismounting and remounting in the world will not solve your problem. You need two more of the correct tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>IF the Nittos are asymmetric AND directional, this is true.

PatrickGSR94

iTrader: (1)

From Discount Tire Direct's website:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The all-season Neo Gen tread pattern is an asymmetrical non-directional design, optimized for balance in both wet and dry road conditions. The inside shoulder and center tread areas have a combination of circumferential and slanted grooves that provide water drainage from the contact patch.</TD></TR></TABLE>

From Nitto's website, regarding the Neo-Gen:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Designed to wear evenly on lowered cars with negative camber</TD></TR></TABLE>

The tread is asymetrical, non-directional, just like Falken Azenis, Yokohama Paradas, etc. It doesn't matter which direction the tire rotates, it only matters which edge of the tire faces inside or outside. I assume because of what Nitto says about it, the inside edges of the tire are either thicker rubber or harder rubber or whatever, so that edge MUST be on the inside for the tire to function properly.

If you put all 4 wheels and tire on the car, and you see OUTSIDE on all 4 of them, then you're fine.

confucius

i see, the yellow lable taped to the tire threw me off. it says Rotation ---------&gt;

[jdm ap2]

of course theirs a difference, left wheel goes on left side.. right wheel goes on right side.. duhhh

JimBlake

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... yellow lable taped to the tire...</TD></TR></TABLE>WTF? The markings we're talking about are MOLDED into the tire sidewalls.

confucius

well, thanks for the replies.

i think they are directional. since the tires are only 70 bucks, im guessing they were too lazy to make one for the right side.

if u look at the threads, the water will channel correctly on the left tire.

but for the right, everything will be backwards and looks like the water aint channeling outward.

the water is channeling inward on the right tires.

and the left tire, water will channel outward.

from what i can tell, im not tire expert.

NightRiderS2K

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JimBlake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">WTF? The markings we're talking about are MOLDED into the tire sidewalls.
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Exactly what I was thinking...

YOUR NEOGENS are NOT DIRECTIONAL!!

As long as when your wheels are mounted...all of the sides should say "outside" when you look at it.

And I agree, you're not a tire expert.

JimBlake

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... since the tires are only 70 bucks, im guessing they were too lazy to make one for the right side.</TD></TR></TABLE>That's absolutely NO EXCUSE.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by confucius &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the water is channeling inward on the right tires.

and the left tire, water will channel outward...</TD></TR></TABLE>That doesn't necessarily prove they're directional.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NightRider-gsR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">YOUR NEOGENS are NOT DIRECTIONAL!!</TD></TR></TABLE>Until I see some Neogens firsthand, I'm inclined to agree...

All you gotta do is look on the sidewalls for a rotation/direction arrow. MOLDED IN LIKE THE TIRE SIZE. It's not some sticker. I bet you'll only find inside/outside markings...

00b18b

why not just give nitto a call? beats the guessing game right

PatrickGSR94

iTrader: (1)

Why is there even argument, Nitto and Discount Tire both state that the Neo-Gen is non-directional AND asymmetrical. Okay people, that should settle it. There are no separate specific left and right tires. There is no specific rotation direction. The tires have specific insides and outsides, and THAT IS ALL.

Thank you and move along to the next thread please.

confucius

its some stickers slapped on the tires.

heres the pic man..........

They are not directoinal, but still, one is one thread going one way on the left, then on the right, its going another way.

anyways, the tires are on. its over..

i would feel a lot better if all the threads were facing in the same direction.

PatrickGSR94

iTrader: (1)

Directional tires are usually designed with the specific purpose of channeling water away from the tires, in addition to the other goals of dry grip, noise levels, etc. While all treaded tires channel water, non-directional tires aren't specifically designed to do so. I'm sure these tires were designed more with dry grip in mind, much like Azenis were designed. So don't worry too much about the direction the tread is going, it'll still get the water away from the tire. If it didn't, it wouldn't be a street tire.

Directional tires, on the other hand, if mounted backwards, can be very unsafe in wet weather since it won't channel the water away as it was designed to.

Code Blue

heres a real easy way to tell, if they are directional, the tire will have a little arrow pointing the rotation direction.